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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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When and how and why
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Bleach Downgrades (Staff Only)
Refer to the title. As it was mentioned earlier, this thread will be tackling into the recent 3-A / Low 2-C upgrades that Bleach received here not too long ago. After taking a deeper look into things for myself, and receiving some help from others, I'm here to explain why I'm disagreeing with...
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This was back before the anime aired, fortunately, the anime has blatantly debunked the arguments against bleach with the additions of cour 2 and cour 3. Hell anyone who is capable of forming good arguments can upgrade bleach to 2C right now using the anime info backed up with the novels because 3a/low 2C is not even accurate anymore. But we have decided to wait for cour 4 to see more additions which I bet there will be to make an upgrade CRT for the God tiers.
I am sure by this time next year, the likes of Ichigo, aizen, Yhwach, jugram and uryu would be 2C at least.
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Why would they be 2-C?
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The Cosmology is accepted as 2C already if you check Ichibei’s profile.
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UNLESS Cour 4 does anything about it.
Uryu and unf Jugram will absolutely not be 2-C.
Even Aizen too, as he literally Just summons Hado 99, then gets donuted by Yhwach…
And tbh, I genuinely don't think the Anime will make them genuinely Harm Soul King Yhwach… at all. As that is the purpose for True Bankai Ichigo to do.
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PizzaDante67
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I just realized that Aizen still has a 3-C rating in striking strength lol.
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Aizen is benefitting from Hikone leeching off the Ginjo stuff.
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Huh they still would? Uryu at full power scales above the soul king (who scales to 2C via sustaining and almost destroying it when his power was released back in cour 3) seeing as he almost kills ichigo and pierces Yhwach with the auswalhen arrow then he should scale there. Jugram then scales for beating his ass.
What?? Aizen tanks his reaitsu blasts that made ichigo cry in pain and could easily cut through his reaitsu something true Shikai ichigo couldn't do easily. He scales off Manga alone. The fact he placed Yhwach in KS shows relativity.
They don't need to seriously harm him to scale to him tho so it wouldnt matter.
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In what way does Uryu scale above the Soul King? Ichigo was not going all out in the slightest, he was completely bewildered. And Uryu literally only "pierces" Yhwach with Antithesis hax…
Where did he tank it… and before you say when Yhwach destroyed his chair… he literally did that TO free Aizen to play with his food. Thats literally the whole narrative point of Soul King Yhwach.
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Second Fiddlers | Vegeta (Daima) vs Renji Abarai (0-0-0)
Rules: Adult Vegeta, begins in Super Saiyan 2 Post-Royal Guard Training Renji Speed equalized Starting distance of 100 meters Fight takes place on the World of the Supreme Kai Renji is 4-B Vegeta: 0 Renji: 0 Bulma and Rukia tell them to cut this shit out (Incon): 0
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Ichigo durability wouldn't change, he literally insta reacts to a sneak shot from Uryu to the face and that did nothing but ichigo got his torso blown out from an arrow from full power Uryu that means he scales to that ichigo. Even if you want to say his mental state weakens him (tho I don't believe to be the case post true shikai since he has nigh complete mastery of his abilities) a later ichigo who is completely ready and determined still couldn't overpower Uryu that he had to outsmart him by distracting him.
Ichigo also says they should both fight Jugram TOGETHER implying some sort of relativity.
Also furthermore, it is also very possible that Jugram also increased his power to use almighty as well tho not to yhwach level but to atleast without causing implications like letting the power go out of control and he fights Uryu so his power increase is consistent as well.
This isn't true at all, the only thing that you can speculate to happen is the antithesis blocking the almighty, not Uryu having the AP to pierce through him because his antithesis has never been shown to pierce through the body of someone while Uryu is in a archer stans when the shots lands?????? Like bruh.
That's literally false lol, yhwach did that to destroy him he didn't expect aizen to survive lol. And that's a bigger reaitsu blast than anything he released on both true Shikai ichigo and even horn of salvation making it somewhat in those ball parks of power.
You gonna have explain because I don't get how this is relevant
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There is like nothing indicating that he JUST wanted to destroy the chair to free Aizen. Yhwach was about to destroy the realms, after giving Ichigo the most brutal beating of his live. Why should he delay the achievement of his goal even further?
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On another topic,i think FKT Bankai Toshiro could possibly downscale to like uh...baseline 6-A in durability from like barely defending himself from base Haribel strikes but like, first of i don't want to really think about another scaling CRT that involves Toshiro,and second like im not really sure it could be argued and im lukewarm on it.(plus if it ends up a possibly or something Cang Du's profile might become even more of a mess lmao)
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Yeah I will not do that CRT (it'll make me sad)
If you guys haven't seen Cang Du's revised profile, you should give it a look. I made it and I hate it.
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If anyone wants to know,i looked at it for a minute,which caused my eyes to implode,my brain to short circuit,and a piece of my soul died from witnessing it.
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I'd also want to add that the reiatsu attack yhwach used on Aizen isn't only greater than everything he used on ichigo, but it also used ichigo's power that yhwach absorbed
I think Yhwach's profile should get a "Post Ichigo's power" section where he gets all the abilities of Post Time-skip Ichigo and some better stats
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Bleach Hollow Physiology Addition
Was busy making profiles when I noticed that Hollow Physiology (Arrancar) does not include Regeneration. On Nnoitora's page, he has Regeneration (Low) upon activating his Resurrection for healing a wound. However, we can also see that this is NOT an exclusive trait of his, as this scan shows. My...
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outdated profiles
Ralp0054
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While we can already handle the Godtier characters with revisions, I'm wondering if we should also touch the Soul King. Okay, we're waiting for some things until Cour 4, but let's keep it up to date with what we already have.
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This makes sense.
Soul King Yhwach got match with Shikai Horn Ichigo.
Moment, Ichigo went Bankai he fear it and used hax to never faced it.
Absorbed Ichigo’s powers.
Next time Ichigo used Bankai Yhwach still tried to break it but managed his own against it.
If it wasn’t for the Quincy arrow. R.I.P.
Ralp0054
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It would be fair to give Yhwach's state after draining Ichigo's powers the statistic values that Ichigo gained with all his power multipliers, and give same to Aizen because tanking Yhwach's reiatsu attack.This makes sense.
Soul King Yhwach got match with Shikai Horn Ichigo.
Moment, Ichigo went Bankai he fear it and used hax to never faced it.
Absorbed Ichigo’s powers.
Next time Ichigo used Bankai Yhwach still tried to break it but managed his own against it.
If it wasn’t for the Quincy arrow. R.I.P.
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I think so too, tbh
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Aizen’s durability maybe, because he couldn’t do anything AP wise to hurt Yhwach. That’s why he acted as bait for Ichigo.
Which a weakened Bankai Ichigo would then scale due to being the one to actually kill Yhwach twice and taking his attack better than the one Yhwach used to put Aizen down for the rest of the fight
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But like did he really tank it? Like what are the chances that Aizen just let the chair took the full brunt of that attack. I mean sure, yeah he was strapped and all but we don't really know how he actually tanked it, now do we?.
Ralp0054
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that's a strech
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well tbf everything is a stretch with the way how that feat is protrayed even more so when it's offscreened and the later not so impressive feats of Aizen against yhwach attacks.
i guess we just gotta wait for cour 4.
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stat diff is too high (hsr mfs are literally into quettafoes
) so like just push agenda and make both verses tier 1 and there you go
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Yeah, those matches will only possibly work if its a hax matchup. Which… against Honkai… is quite the task
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They do, but Honkai has Tier 1 hax as far as I know.
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Bleach: Baraggan's Arrancar
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How does Yhwach power nullification and reactive evolution works against abilities that affect you in past too? They wouldn't be able to harm him in present and future due to Almighty, but does it defends him in the past too?
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Base Yhwach or Base Almighty Yhwach would be affected by those, however after absorbing Soul King and Mimihagi, Yhwach get acausality and resistance from them, hence you can't really affect him from neither past or future. Just the present.
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