• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Black-san112 said:
Make sure to switch to the anime for TYBW
Click to expand...
Yeah definitely. Although I prefer how Quincy abilities looked in the manga, visually speaking.
Black-san112 said:
Exactly what I am worried about since this will be very unfair if they resist the hax and also outskill then its GGS
Click to expand...
Well like I said that depends on individual match ups ig
Black-san112 said:
Starting to think my goats are washed 💔 (or goh is getting too overpowered not that I am complaining)
Click to expand...
Well GoH is a relatively strong verse and so is Bleach. Thing is that the more haxxed a verse is the bigger the chances are that vs threads will end up "stomp or be stomped".

It's generally why I hate match ups for Mori's final key and far prefer ones for his earlier. Something like "2C Mori vs 2C Yhwach" would be horrendously boring
 
Burning_Full_Fingers said:
Huh, just noticed characters like Renji are at 4-A. Can someone link the upgrade thread? I assume it’s related to Shutara.
Click to expand...
vsbattles.com

TYBW Anime Cour 3 [Ichigo's Rivals Edition]

Here's the sandbox, it's both Uryu's and Renji's current keys that are being updated. A few things of note: Renji's Zagai Zekkou after being charged for 20 seconds ~ Vollstandig Blut Uryu > casualBankai Shutara (4-A) >~ Blut Uryu > Uryu (10x downscale) ~ Renji Renji is not upscaling Squad 0 by...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Does anyone know what the value of Ichigo's Subsonic is? I know it comes from Shrieker, but he also doesn't have any values or calc linked to him and his attack speed is Transonic, so I'm not sure what value Ichigo downscales to. There also isn't a speed calc linked on the verse page for this.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Does anyone know what the value of Ichigo's Subsonic is?
Click to expand...
Unless stated explicitly, the assumption will always be the minimum for that tier. For the profile, my guess would be that it's either Ichigo running around Karakura Town during his match with Uryu or just a bunch of downscaling.
 
Q819.
閉じ込められていたグレミィが陛下に反抗せず大人しくしていたのは、封印が聖文字の力を抑える効果があったからでしょうか?
それともグレミィ自身、陛下に反抗しようとは考えていないのでしょうか?
A819.
グレミィはユーハバッハに勝てる自分を想像できないので
ユーハバッハに対しては無力です。

Translation ChatGPT

Q819.
Was the reason why Gremmy, who had been confined, did not resist His Majesty and remained quiet because the seal suppressed the power of his Schrift?
Or was it because Gremmy himself never considered opposing His Majesty?


A819.
Since Gremmy cannot imagine a version of himself that could defeat Yhwach,
he is powerless against Yhwach.

What do we get out of this?
 
Last edited:
Peterdenman156 said:
Q819.
閉じ込められていたグレミィが陛下に反抗せず大人しくしていたのは、封印が聖文字の力を抑える効果があったからでしょうか?
それともグレミィ自身、陛下に反抗しようとは考えていないのでしょうか?
A819.
グレミィはユーハバッハに勝てる自分を想像できないので
ユーハバッハに対しては無力です。

Translation ChatGPT

Q819.
Was the reason why Gremmy, who had been confined, did not resist His Majesty and remained quiet because the seal suppressed the power of his Schrift?
Or was it because Gremmy himself never considered opposing His Majesty?


A819.
Since Gremmy cannot imagine a version of himself that could defeat Yhwach,
he is powerless against Yhwach.

What do we get out of this?
Click to expand...
It only cements the scaling that is already is accepted in this wiki and I dont think it's anything special
 
Peterdenman156 said:
Q819.
閉じ込められていたグレミィが陛下に反抗せず大人しくしていたのは、封印が聖文字の力を抑える効果があったからでしょうか?
それともグレミィ自身、陛下に反抗しようとは考えていないのでしょうか?
A819.
グレミィはユーハバッハに勝てる自分を想像できないので
ユーハバッハに対しては無力です。

Translation ChatGPT

Q819.
Was the reason why Gremmy, who had been confined, did not resist His Majesty and remained quiet because the seal suppressed the power of his Schrift?
Or was it because Gremmy himself never considered opposing His Majesty?


A819.
Since Gremmy cannot imagine a version of himself that could defeat Yhwach,
he is powerless against Yhwach.

What do we get out of this?
Click to expand...
Base Yhwach can create and bust a Galaxy
 
So, after Gremmy got his upgrade, did it shake up the Sternritter rankings at all?

Also, I’m really curious—who would win in a fight, Lille or Gerard?
 
Last edited:
Peterdenman156 said:
Why?
Click to expand...
Lille's greatest feat is overcoming Shikai Shunsui, a feat he achieves thanks to his ability to transform himself into something else. I rank Zaraki above Shikai Shunsui.

Even if you weren't going to do that from the first movie onward, Zaraki becomes Shikai Shunsui after his final battle with Unohana.

He also scales with Shikai Zaraki without an eyepatch in terms of reiatsu.

Gerard>>No Eye Patch Shikai Zaraki>>Shikai Zaraki>Gremmy>Askin>Pre-Aushwalen Jugram~~>Shikai Shunsui>Lille (stat)
 
Peterdenman156 said:
So, after Gremmy got his upgrade, did it shake up the Sternritter rankings at all?

Also, I’m really curious—who would win in a fight, Lille or Gerard?
Click to expand...
I think if they're both starting in their bases, Lille could hypothetically use the X axis to pierce through Gerard's core
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
I think if they're both starting in their bases, Lille could hypothetically use the X axis to pierce through Gerard's core
Click to expand...
Gerard is millions of times stronger but lille's hax would make evade gerard attacks and instantly destroy his core with his durability negation shots. So Gerard is stronger but Lille barro would win in a fight based off hax and Gerard weaknesses.

Off-topic but I find that a lot of people especially bleach fans offsite can't distinguish the difference between who wins in a fight and who is stronger. If they could they would understand Power scaling much more easily.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Gerard is millions of times stronger but lille's hax would make evade gerard attacks and instantly destroy his core with his durability negation shots. So Gerard is stronger but Lille barro would win in a fight based off hax and Gerard weaknesses.

Off-topic but I find that a lot of people especially bleach fans offsite can't distinguish the difference between who wins in a fight and who is stronger. If they could they would understand Power scaling much more easily.
Click to expand...
not base to base
 
Peterdenman156 said:
So, after Gremmy got his upgrade, did it shake up the Sternritter rankings at all?

Also, I’m really curious—who would win in a fight, Lille or Gerard?
Click to expand...
I personally believe Gremmy’s upgrade just upscales the SS and Jugram. I think Gremmy’s not stronger than any of the SS members. Can he beat some of them with hax like throwing them in space? Sure, but I don’t think he has higher reiatsu. But that’s just me personally.

I have Gremmy as the 7th or 8th strongest Sternritter next to Royd, followed by Ayon Amped Quilge, Bazz B or Nianzol. Bazz B has the feats but Nianzol was chosen as worthy of coming to the SK’s Palace with the SS and Jugram while Bazz B wasn’t, which Jugram was surprised about Bazz B not being chosen implying he’s not far from that level.
 
vsbattles.fandom.com

Yhwach

Yhwach (ユーハバッハ, Yūhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew he would...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
Already does
 
Jo-Smooth said:
I personally believe Gremmy’s upgrade just upscales the SS and Jugram. I think Gremmy’s not stronger than any of the SS members. Can he beat some of them with hax like throwing them in space? Sure, but I don’t think he has higher reiatsu. But that’s just me personally.
Click to expand...
Pernida raised himself to the level of Eye Patch Zaraki. Gremmy was stronger than Zaraki's form. Zaraki used Shikai to defeat Gremmy. Pernida was stronger than Lille and Askin.

Jo-Smooth said:
I have Gremmy as the 7th or 8th strongest Sternritter next to Royd, followed by Ayon Amped Quilge, Bazz B or Nianzol. Bazz B has the feats but Nianzol was chosen as worthy of coming to the SK’s Palace with the SS and Jugram while Bazz B wasn’t, which Jugram was surprised about Bazz B not being chosen implying he’s not far from that level.
Click to expand...
The reason Nianzol was taken to SK's Palace wasn't because of his power. He was taken because of his space bending hax.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Pernida raised himself to the level of Eye Patch Zaraki. Gremmy was stronger than Zaraki's form. Zaraki used Shikai to defeat Gremmy. Pernida was stronger than Lille and Askin.
Click to expand...
Gremmy wasn’t stronger than Zaraki’s form!? What are you smoking? Kenpachi didn’t struggle against Gremmy. Zaraki used his Shikai to cut a meteor. Gremmy defeated himself by imagining having the same power as Shikai Kenpachi. Pernida defeated a nerf base Kenpachi in seconds. Pernida show to be stronger than Gremmy in seconds.
 
AppleLord said:
Gremmy wasn’t stronger than Zaraki’s form!? What are you smoking? Kenpachi didn’t struggle against Gremmy. Zaraki used his Shikai to cut a meteor. Gremmy defeated himself by imagining having the same power as Shikai Kenpachi.
Click to expand...
You realize he severely damaged kenpachi in that fight right? Meaning he struggled and Shikai eye patch zaraki is clearly stronger than base eye patch zaraki.
AppleLord said:
Pernida defeated a nerf base Kenpachi in seconds. Pernida show to be stronger than Gremmy in seconds.
Click to expand...
*sigh.....
 
AppleLord said:
Gremmy wasn’t stronger than Zaraki’s form!? What are you smoking? Kenpachi didn’t struggle against Gremmy. Zaraki used his Shikai to cut a meteor. Gremmy defeated himself by imagining having the same power as Shikai Kenpachi. Pernida defeated a nerf base Kenpachi in seconds. Pernida show to be stronger than Gremmy in seconds.
Click to expand...
Activating a shikai to cut a meteor means he can't cut it without a shikai/bankai/eyepatch. If there were an opponent he could defeat without a shikai, he wouldn't have activated a shikai. The phrase "I can't imagine a body that could withstand Gremmy's power" was directed at Eyepatch Shikai Zaraki. So, it doesn't mean he doesn't scale to his eyepatch form.

Pernida defeated Eyepatch Zaraki with dura neg. He then increased his own strength to his level. The same Zaraki form activates a shikai to cut Gremmy's meteor.
 
The same reason Pernida defeated a nerf Kenpachi without a Shikai.

That proves Pernida > Gremmy

Gremmy couldn’t kill Kenpachi or harm him until he summoned his clones and that was outer space dura neg and bombs which requires to self sacrifice. Meanwhile, Pernida got rid of him in seconds. Gremmy was also fighting nerf eyepatch Kenpachi.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

CastoriceTheFifth
CastoriceTheFifth Vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Honkai: Star Rail Vs Bleach)
2
Replies
68
Views
4K
AthelChan
AthelChan
Phoenks
(2v2) Ichigo & Aizen VS Mira Yoo & Daewi Han
Replies
18
Views
3K
DavidTPPM
DavidTPPM
BoastJr
AURA FARMING LEAGUE ! MATCH 3 : AIZEN VS RYUGA (WEEK 3)
Replies
3
Views
690
Hecky2222
Hecky2222
RanaProGamer
Monkey D. Luffy vs Ichigo Kurosaki
Replies
9
Views
2K
RanaProGamer
RanaProGamer
NeonTxme
  • Locked
Revaluation of SS Ichigo AP
4 5 6
Replies
203
Views
15K
Damage3245
Damage3245
Back
Top