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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

How accept senjumaru feat now? She shaked all of same time or reio palace senter of shaking and then reach other universes? If its second maybe 4A wrong for this feat
 
We accept that she shook everything inside of three Universal-size dimensions. We don't accept that she affected the timelines. It wouldn't affect the calculation to any meaningful degree if you assume she was at a specific location or not as the calculation we're using is for affecting the total matter of a Universe, but three times over. Now, if it was accepted that she was affecting the timelines, it would be 2-C. The issue is, it's difficult to prove she was doing this. Arguments do exist for it - I don't know if I agree with them fully, though. And no one has proposed further arguments for it, on site, since Arc's thread.
 
I think it’s implied that Shutara if going all out could destroy the realms, I think that’s the point of like “a mere wave of the sleeve shakes all 3 universes”, but if we’re being empiricists it’s hard to prove. I think 4-A is a fine end to have
 
Deceived3596 said:
We accept that she shook everything inside of three Universal-size dimensions. We don't accept that she affected the timelines. It wouldn't affect the calculation to any meaningful degree if you assume she was at a specific location or not as the calculation we're using is for affecting the total matter of a Universe, but three times over. Now, if it was accepted that she was affecting the timelines, it would be 2-C. The issue is, it's difficult to prove she was doing this. Arguments do exist for it - I don't know if I agree with them fully, though. And no one has proposed further arguments for it, on site, since Arc's thread.
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I think you didnt understand my point. I didnt talk about time line, my point is space between universes and its distance. if shoke waves started one universe and continues until reach other universes that mean its suprass that space and distance. And that space and distance arent irrevelant . Its the reason of low multiverse and multiverse tier. If there isnt exist that distance and space and Assuming that each universe is directly adjacent ,dosent matter how many universe destroyed still will be consider universe+
Summary my point irrevelant time line. more like distance about between universes

Note : I'm not sure what this achievement is supposed to do because I've never seen a calculation or an achievement that doesn't destroy multiple universes but shakes them directly. But I don't think this achievement is about shaking a single universe and then multiplying it by 3.
 
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AKUTO123 said:
I think you didnt understand my point. I didnt talk about time line, my point is space between universes and its distance. if shoke waves started one universe and continues until reach other universes that mean its suprass that space and distance. And that space and distance arent irrevelant . Its the reason of low multiverse and multiverse tier. If there isnt exist that distance and space and Assuming that each universe is directly adjacent ,dosent matter how many universe destroyed still will be consider universe+
Summary my point irrevelant time line. more like distance about between universes

Note : I'm not sure what this achievement is supposed to do because I've never seen a calculation or an achievement that doesn't destroy multiple universes but shakes them directly. But I don't think this achievement is about shaking a single universe and then multiplying it by 3.
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Pretty sure the space between timelines is considered 4d, so this scales garganta to 5d
 
AKUTO123 said:
I think you didnt understand my point. I didnt talk about time line, my point is space between universes and its distance. if shoke waves started one universe and continues until reach other universes that mean its suprass that space and distance. And that space and distance arent irrevelant . Its the reason of low multiverse and multiverse tier. If there isnt exist that distance and space and Assuming that each universe is directly adjacent ,dosent matter how many universe destroyed still will be consider universe+
Summary my point irrevelant time line. more like distance about between universes

Note : I'm not sure what this achievement is supposed to do because I've never seen a calculation or an achievement that doesn't destroy multiple universes but shakes them directly. But I don't think this achievement is about shaking a single universe and then multiplying it by 3.
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Interesting.
 
ItsMeat said:
Pretty sure the space between timelines is considered 4d, so this scales garganta to 5d
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If we consider the shock wave as starting from the spirit king palace and reaching other universes, this shock wave will be 4D to move in 4D space, that is, even if we accept that it did not affect the time line, the success could be low2C / 2C, and the speed of the shock wave would also be an important question. Of course, if we consider that the shock wave occurred in all of them at the same time, what I said does not matter much.
 
AKUTO123 said:
I think you didnt understand my point. I didnt talk about time line, my point is space between universes and its distance. if shoke waves started one universe and continues until reach other universes that mean its suprass that space and distance. And that space and distance arent irrevelant . Its the reason of low multiverse and multiverse tier. If there isnt exist that distance and space and Assuming that each universe is directly adjacent ,dosent matter how many universe destroyed still will be consider universe+
Summary my point irrevelant time line. more like distance about between universes

Note : I'm not sure what this achievement is supposed to do because I've never seen a calculation or an achievement that doesn't destroy multiple universes but shakes them directly. But I don't think this achievement is about shaking a single universe and then multiplying it by 3.
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The thing is (no F4) we have two means of quantification, that’s either 4-A from physical shaking (High 3-A if it’s infinite) or 2-C. And staff deemed the evidence for 2-C wasn’t sufficient enough. But I do think your interpretation is decent support for a high interpretation for what it’s worth.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
The thing is (no F4) we have two means of quantification, that’s either 4-A from physical shaking (High 3-A if it’s infinite) or 2-C. And staff deemed the evidence for 2-C wasn’t sufficient enough. But I do think your interpretation is decent support for a high interpretation for what it’s worth.
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When time comes for 2C I think this would be consider
 
AKUTO123 said:
I think you didnt understand my point. I didnt talk about time line, my point is space between universes and its distance. if shoke waves started one universe and continues until reach other universes that mean its suprass that space and distance. And that space and distance arent irrevelant . Its the reason of low multiverse and multiverse tier. If there isnt exist that distance and space and Assuming that each universe is directly adjacent ,dosent matter how many universe destroyed still will be consider universe+
Summary my point irrevelant time line. more like distance about between universes

Note : I'm not sure what this achievement is supposed to do because I've never seen a calculation or an achievement that doesn't destroy multiple universes but shakes them directly. But I don't think this achievement is about shaking a single universe and then multiplying it by 3.
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I think what you said is an interesting point, because it was Senjumaru's reiatsu that caused this feat, So it has attack potential instead of hax. The effect of Reiatsu extends from its initial point to a point within its range, depending on its power level( We haven't seen anything to deny this). We've always treated reiatsu range as interdimensional in character pages, In cosmology, its effect on the region (Garganta) containing 3 universes with 3 different space and +1 time dimensions needs to be discussed by experts. There's no need to wait for part 4 for this.
 
IIRC Yhwach's threatening of the three worlds is because he's destabilizing the foundation, not really actively destroying it (or at least that's how VSB views it).

It's the reason why Goku and Beerus' feat (which is often used as a comparison) is accepted over it because it's stated verbatim that their power is causing the active destruction of the macrocosm.
 
LordDestroit10K said:


Where is this from?
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second databook based on the text. Still got it, apparently.

LordDestroit10K said:


Is this official?
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Even before I met arc, I realized this was a fake scan. Also because I went on a quest to purchase everything that was relevant to the series (which also resulted in me buying O.G. shonen jump chapters to find kubo interview material), and it wasn't in anything.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
second databook based on the text. Still got it, apparently.


Even before I met arc, I realized this was a fake scan. Also because I went on a quest to purchase everything that was relevant to the series (which also resulted in me buying O.G. shonen jump chapters to find kubo interview material), and it wasn't in anything.
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Damn, insane dedication 🫡
 
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