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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Kisuke isn't Base Aizen tier in FKT Arc.

Yall smoking crack if you believe that.

Dude deadass gets slapped by Res Ulquiorra, much less Base Aizen.

That statement is contradicted so many times, but yall meatride it like Damage meatrides the Mach 500 Gin statement.
 
Deceived said:
Kisuke isn't Base Aizen tier in FKT Arc.

Yall smoking crack if you believe that.

Dude deadass gets slapped by Res Ulquiorra, much less Base Aizen.

That statement is contradicted so many times, but yall meatride it like Damage meatrides the Mach 500 Gin statement.
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Deceived said:
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I'm definitely not a Ulquiorra wanker, Arc already knows my favorite Espada and it definitely isn't Ulquiorra.


All Schutzstaffel literally dick on Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra while in Base with pure AP alone, idk what you're talking about.
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Then u are a kisuke hater, it was a joke dont take it too seriously
 
Deceived said:
All Schutzstaffel literally dick on Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra while in Base with pure AP alone, idk what you're talking about.
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So you argue Kisuke got stronger from FKT to the TYBW, why can't Kisuke have gotten stronger from first Arrancar invasion to FKT? There is like 3 months of time in between the two events, we know Kisuke was preparing for battle. That interaction with Ulquiorra isn't a limiter for FKT Kisuke. Ignoring the fact that Ulquiorra contextualizes it by saying Kisuke cannot defeat him while protecting all the fodder around him, meaning its a product of the situation not Ulq > Kisuke, I can just claim Kisuke got stronger over the three months to FKT.
 
More like I'm genuinely confused how Deceived can argue that on one end FKT Kisuke is limited by showings from start of AA Kisuke despite there being a significant time gap between the two, but also argue TYBW Kisuke is somehow immune to that logic.
 
Kenpachi potential is nothing compared to Ichigo,Hikone,Ginjo.
Hikone gets 100x the effect of getting stronger after a fight, Ichigo and Ginjo too(maybe not Ginjo). So while Kenny gets 1 fights worth of a strength upgrade, ichigo gets 100 fights worth.
Thats why people keep commenting that Ichigo is a Beast and getting stronger way too fast.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
More like I'm genuinely confused how Deceived can argue that on one end FKT Kisuke is limited by showings from start of AA Kisuke despite there being a significant time gap between the two, but also argue TYBW Kisuke is somehow immune to that logic.
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Cuz he is deceived
 
skippy said:
Kenpachi potential is nothing compared to Ichigo,Hikone,Ginjo.
Hikone gets 100x the effect of getting stronger after a fight, Ichigo and Ginjo too(maybe not Ginjo). So while Kenny gets 1 fights worth of a strength upgrade, ichigo gets 100 fights worth.
Thats why people keep commenting that Ichigo is a Beast and getting stronger way too fast.
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Well Ichigo growth rate is pretty stupid high

Dude reached Captain level in 2 weeks lmao
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
So you argue Kisuke got stronger from FKT to the TYBW, why can't Kisuke have gotten stronger from first Arrancar invasion to FKT? There is like 3 months of time in between the two events, we know Kisuke was preparing for battle. That interaction with Ulquiorra isn't a limiter for FKT Kisuke. Ignoring the fact that Ulquiorra contextualizes it by saying Kisuke cannot defeat him while protecting all the fodder around him, meaning its a product of the situation not Ulq > Kisuke, I can just claim Kisuke got stronger over the three months to FKT.
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Because nothing proves otherwise? like TYBW Arc Kisuke actually has feats and scaling that put him above his previous FKT Arc self, this can't be said for Kisuke Arrancar Arc to FKT Arc.

This is especially the case since the statement made by Aizen indicates Kisuke has always been his rival physically and even is intellectual superior, regardless of the time frame, which means you can't hand wave this away with the typical "Kisuke could've gotten stronger over this specific amount of time" cope because the statement within itself disproves it.

Regarding the Ulquiorra stuff - while its true Ulquiorra does add that context it still doesn't debunked the fact that Kisuke's Scream got literally flicked away by Base Ulquiorra, we have no reason to believe Kisuke is holding back against these people who have just literally pulled up in Karakura Town, killed 100's of Innocent people and just slapped up Chad, Orihime and Ichigo and one of them just about killed his best friend in Yoruichi.

So Base Ulquiorra was able to smack away a fullpower Scream from Benihime, then you add on the fact Ulquiorra has two transformations which drastically increases his attack potency, durability and speed? Kisuke's is getting his cheeks busted.

Also the fact Ulquiorra can sense the power levels of his opponents and was extremely confident that he could take on Kisuke also just adds even more credence to what i'm saying tbh.
 
Deceived said:
This is especially the case since the statement made by Aizen indicates Kisuke has always been his rival physically and even is intellectual superior, regardless of the time frame
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No, all this statement means is that prior to Aizen putting on a condom, him and Kisuke had equal power. It does not inherently mean base Aizen and Kisuke had been rivals throughout all time. Rather this statement mentioning “no longer” only inherently refers to the fact that Aizen got immensely stronger after putting on a condom.

Furthermore, the rest of what you said doesn’t prove start of AA Kisuke = FKT Kisuke. Kisuke was preparing for the fight at FKT, that much is fact, he simply could have gotten stronger if you think he’s only base Ulq level at the start of AA. Aizen wouldn’t view someone at Espada rank 4 as a rival in power, he looks down up the Espada as disappointments.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
No, all this statement means is that prior to Aizen putting on a condom, him and Kisuke had equal power. It does not inherently mean base Aizen and Kisuke had been rivals throughout all time. Rather this statement mentioning “no longer” only inherently refers to the fact that Aizen got immensely stronger after putting on a condom.
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That isn't what the context of that statement is saying Arc...

That's your interpretation of what Aizen is saying, what says your interpretation is above mine? like you literally can't prove he's ONLY talking about this current version Kisuke and not Kisuke in general.

You got to fulfill that burden.

Arc7Kuroi said:
Furthermore, the rest of what you said doesn’t prove start of AA Kisuke = FKT Kisuke. Kisuke was preparing for the fight at FKT, that much is fact, he simply could have gotten stronger if you think he’s only base Ulq level at the start of AA. Aizen wouldn’t view someone at Espada rank 4 as a rival in power, he looks down up the Espada as disappointments.
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This only matters after we settle the Kisuke = Aizen statement debate first so i'll not address this until we do.
 
Deceived said:
That isn't what the context of that statement is saying Arc...

That's your interpretation of what Aizen is saying, what says your interpretation is above mine? like you literally can't prove he's ONLY talking about this current version Kisuke and not Kisuke in general.

You got to fulfill that burden.
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You made the claim that “no longer equal” meant Aizen and Kisuke were equals throughout time. You’d have to prove that assertion. However, my premise holds even under your interpretation. It would just mean FKT Aizen > start of AA Aizen.

However, I know you’re arguing that Aizen’s statement is just a contradiction, as I don’t believe you think Aizen was ever weaker than his Espada. Which is why my interpretation of the statement is better, yours creates an inherent contradiction, mine doesn’t. Hence my interpretation is the superior one.
 
Yammy literally said to Grimmjow in front of Aizen that they had to retreat because Kisuke and Yoruichi entered the fight, Ulq didn't disagree with that there.

He said he could defeat Kisuke if Kisuke will fight while trying to protect others.
Deceived said:
That's your interpretation of what Aizen is saying, what says your interpretation is above mine? like you literally can't prove he's ONLY talking about this current version Kisuke and not Kisuke in general.

You got to fulfill that burden.
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It's not contradicted by anything at that time, also Kisuke almost one shot Aizen with the sealing technique which seemed to be a kido based technique, Aizen himself said that he can negate soul reapers abilities with his Reiatsu as long as he is stronger than them
Deceived said:
This only matters after we settle the Kisuke = Aizen statement debate first so i'll not address this until we do.
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Not its not lol, he actually made a good point, Aizen at the end thought that the espada are trash, how tf would he consider Kisuke as a rival?
 
Anyway, will there be any speed CRTs? I thought Cien's cero speed got accepted, yet I don't see it applied anywhere.
 
Ovy7 said:
Anyway, will there be any speed CRTs? I thought Cien's cero speed got accepted, yet I don't see it applied anywhere.
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Yeah I have a lot of speed calcs I still need to propose for scaling. Last speed thread I made was for FTL+ to MFTL god tiers
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Yeah I have a lot of speed calcs I still need to propose for scaling. Last speed thread I made was for FTL+ to MFTL god tiers
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Doesnt Cien Cero speed only scale to people stronger than him? But no cap there is no Hollow stronger than him.
 
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