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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Doesn't say 6 really, it says each one makes a Fragor.
But the manga literally shows 12 so you would be more than lowballing by saying 6. It's absolutely 12 so don't hesitate to use 12 when the visuals literally show Ichigo overpowering 12 of them.
I’m 99% sure it says 6, but I’ll go back and check 👀
 
I think ichigo and monster aizen are in the same dimension of power. Because he hurt ichigo it was actually mugestu that he couldn't sense.
nah.
He only hurt a casual ichigo. Ichigo easily bitchslapped an attack 12 times more powerfull than what "hurt him" right after.

Also, Aizen say " i STILL can't feel anything" when ichigo start to change into mugetsu. Meaning he couldn't sense anything before.
 
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Here, I circled the beams leaving the eyes and the mouths. 6 eyes and 6 mouths equal 12 Fragors.
Isn’t that the attacks just merging? That’s the point of each eye showing up together below each mouth?
 
Isn’t that the attacks just merging? That’s the point of each eye showing up together below each mouth?
No, that's why I posted the image of Aizen showing off the first Fragor.

That Fragor was made from just the mouth by itself using the same Reishi compressing bullet like effect.

All the eyes and mouths do this individually so that means they're all making individual Fragor.
 
No, that's why I posted the image of Aizen showing off the first Fragor.
Okay you prove each mouth can create their own energy ball.
That Fragor was made from just the mouth by itself using the same Reishi compressing bullet like effect.

All the eyes and mouths do this individually so that means they're all making individual Fragor.
They are fused the balls into a ring, we don't know if they can fire it directly at the same time. Databook says 6, so is safe to bet the energies just fused to make the mouth fragor stronger. Over 12 fragors based on one single panel of the eyes fusing their energy with the mouths.
 
nah.
He only hurt a casual ichigo. Ichigo easily bitchslapped an attack 12 times more powerfull than what "hurt him" right after.

Also, Aizen say " i STILL can't feel anything" when ichigo start to change into mugetsu. Meaning he couldn't sense anything before.
He already knows dangai ichigo is on his level which is why he says dangai ichigo is transcendant

He was only referring to mugestu specifically who couldn't sense

He was wondering what form ichigo evolved into and after analyzing him for a moment he says he still can't sense him and determines mugestu is on a higher dimension.

The raws say he can't sense him yet.
 
Okay you prove each mouth can create their own energy ball.

Yes... the mouths can make a Fragor on their own as we've been shown.
They are fused the balls into a ring, we don't know if they can fire it directly at the same time. Databook says 6, so is safe to bet the energies just fused to make the mouth fragor stronger. Over 12 fragors based on one single panel of the eyes fusing their energy with the mouths.

Well it's nice to see you're the same as ever Apple. This line of reasoning makes zero sense.

1) We know the mouths can make an individual Fragor that hurt Dangai Ichigo.
2) The eyeballs are literally shown to visually make the same Reishi Compression Bullets that Fragor from the mouths make... so obviously they make their own individual Fragor.

In regards to the databook, the databook does not say 6. It says 1 actually.
Yes, the mouths do fuse energy with the eyeballs since we literally see the eyeballs visually make the same Fragor as the mouths so they are their own individual Fragor. This is not hard to follow by visuals.
 
He already knows dangai ichigo is on his level which is why he says dangai ichigo is transcendant

He was only referring to mugestu specifically who couldn't sense

He was wondering what form ichigo evolved into and after analyzing him for a moment he says he still can't sense him and determines mugestu is on a higher dimension.

The raws say he can't sense him yet.

I mean he says that he still cant feel Ichigo,saying to use he couldnt sense Dangai Ichigo even in his monster form which makes sense since he casually broke loose of Aizen.
 
2) The eyeballs are literally shown to visually make the same Reishi Compression Bullets that Fragor from the mouths make... so obviously they make their own individual Fragor.
Do we now?
In regards to the databook, the databook does not say 6. It says 1 actually.
So why 12?
Yes, the mouths do fuse energy with the eyeballs since we literally see the eyeballs visually make the same Fragor as the mouths so they are their own individual Fragor. This is not hard to follow by visuals.
We do not know that.
 
we see them do it....

cus there are 12? u can count right?

we do cus thats what they show then the databooks tell us that the attack is a combination of all those fragor
I didn’t agree with the interpretation given to me for the 12. I’m asking if you can prove it in another way that hasn’t already been explained? If not, I still disagree.
 
There is no interpretation, there is legit 12. All you have to do is count and you can see, like this isn't a perspective.
I wouldn’t take it too seriously honestly. One of Apple’s arguments is Fullbring Characters are equal to Dangai Ichigo based on the memory of Tsukishima who supposedly helped Ichigo beat Aizen, yet that memory is from people who were never there at the actual fight. And before Apple even tries to somehow say they were, Aizen and Ichigo’s friends constantly called him by name when he was there but Orihime couldn’t even recognize him because of his long hair.
Honestly think he just enjoys bringing people into his random arguments. You’ve read what he said above😭
 
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He already knows dangai ichigo is on his level which is why he says dangai ichigo is transcendant

He was only referring to mugestu specifically who couldn't sense

He was wondering what form ichigo evolved into and after analyzing him for a moment he says he still can't sense him and determines mugestu is on a higher dimension.

The raws say he can't sense him yet.

He also say Ichigo lost all his powers, wich is clearly wrong. Clearly showing he STILL can't sense him. Otherwise he should know that dangai surpass him widly still.

The only reason he say that Icvhigo is transcendent is because Ichigo just handed his ass to him 2 seconds ago. Aizen is mad coping here, that's all.
 
There is no interpretation, there is legit 12. All you have to do is count and you can see, like this isn't a perspective.
There are 6 fragors. The eyes never shoot fragors by themselves, they just added enhanced energy to the mouth fragors.
 
There are 6 fragors. The eyes never shoot fragors by themselves, they just added enhanced energy to the mouth fragors.
that is not stated anywhere only that all fragor is combined, nor is it stated that is only 6 fragor, and the fact we have a panel with 12 doing it already debunks the 6
 
that is not stated anywhere only that all fragor is combined, nor is it stated that is only 6 fragor, and the fact we have a panel with 12 doing it already debunks the 6
Nowhere is stated that there are 12 fragors, it shows the eyes and mouths combining their energies into a ring. Nothing else. There is no statement or feats of the eyes shooting their own fragors themselves.
 
Nowhere is stated that there are 12 fragors, it shows the eyes and mouths combining their energies into a ring. Nothing else. There is no statement or feats of the eyes shooting their own fragors themselves.
The size of ultra fragor looks bigger than just 6 fragors combined
 
I see that you did not provide any new evidence on the matter, nor did you disprove my comment. Instead of going on in repetition I will say that popularity in voting is not always right because you want to make your verse as powerful as possible. Period.
 
I see that you did not provide any new evidence on the matter, nor did you disprove my comment. Instead of going on in repetition I will say that popularity in voting is not always right because you want to make your verse as powerful as possible. Period.
u say there is 6, the manga shows 12, u says the DB says 6, when they show 1. u are once more proven wrong

ur comments are simply wrong/dishonest or u just simply like to make urself look like the ignorant which likes to go against what has been shown

so, no point on keeping the topic, u are proven wrong by the very manga. Period.
 
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