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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Arc7Kuroi said:
3-A to Low 2-C Yhwach Ichigo and Aizen will return 👀
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Arc7Kuroi said:
3-A to Low 2-C Yhwach Ichigo and Aizen will return 👀
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I saw your discussion of kaguya's feat of creating a dimension. What do you think of Yukio's achievement? He created a dimension with a moon and he received a reiatsu boost from Ichigo so it's not inconsistent. Could this lead to an upgrade?
 
KazuiK said:
I saw your discussion of kaguya's feat of creating a dimension. What do you think of Yukio's achievement? He created a dimension with a moon and he received a reiatsu boost from Ichigo so it's not inconsistent. Could this lead to an upgrade?
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Forget about the dimension with a moon, he made one containing a star before he got a power up. Therefore I don't think it's consistent.
 
AppleLord said:
Wait. I was left mind ******. Can someone explain what kind of sorcery is this?

Orihime’s powers > “reject something that's occured, and erase that event from reality"

Yhwach’s power > “anything broken by Almighty, cannot be rejected or restore by powers that rejected reality”

Tsukishima’s power > “created a timeline where the past event where Yhwach destroyed his sword never happened”

Orihime’s power > “rejects an event THAT NEVER HAPPENED to an event WHERE THE SWORD WAS NEVER BROKEN, but is broken 🤔 ”

Orihime rejected an event that was rewritten from reality?

A. B. C. Ń.

💀 💀 💀 😃

Yhwach destroyed all ABC timelines. Orihime rejected timeline B when Tsukishima had already changed timeline B into timeline Ń creating timeline Ń inside timeline B. 🧐
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Okay so this is actually pretty easy.

Orihime rejects something that has happened.
Yhwach changes the future and/or is beyond what Orihime rejects.
Tsukishima makes a new set of past events for things which he can change at will and links to the main timeline.

Yhwach breaks all Bankai in the future and thus said event hasn’t happened so Orihime can’t actually reject it as
  1. it hasn’t happened yet or
  2. Yhwach with his SK powers is unaffected by her causality manip.
Tsukishima makes a new timeline in the past where Ichigo’s Bankai was still broken but it was broken by something else. Since it was actually broken in the past/not broken by Yee Haw Bach, she can reject this past and thus return Ichigo’s Bankai to normal.

To conclude, Yhwach only affects the future, Orihime affects what has happened/is happening and Tsukishima ignores the Pringles Man in his entirety by making events in the past.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Okay so this is actually pretty easy.

Orihime rejects something that has happened.
Yhwach changes the future and/or is beyond what Orihime rejects.
Tsukishima makes a new set of past events for things which he can change at will and links to the main timeline.

Yhwach breaks all Bankai in the future and thus said event hasn’t happened so Orihime can’t actually reject it as
  1. it hasn’t happened yet or
  2. Yhwach with his SK powers is unaffected by her causality manip.
Tsukishima makes a new timeline in the past where Ichigo’s Bankai was still broken but it was broken by something else. Since it was actually broken in the past/not broken by Yee Haw Bach, she can reject this past and thus return Ichigo’s Bankai to normal.

To conclude, Yhwach only affects the future, Orihime affects what has happened/is happening and Tsukishima ignores the Pringles Man in his entirety by making events in the past.
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Tsukishima said, “Your sword or Bankai was never broken.” Something like that. 🤔
 
His statement refers to it being so that his Bankai was basically never broken. Tsukishima never overwrote the future but made a past for Orihime to reject. If the past is of a Bankai that was never broken, Orihime wouldn’t have anything to reject.
 
Can I calc Yhwach's theoretical feat of destroying the boundary (dangai) of the worlds using the distance in the Senna calc alongside this diagram?

What formula should I use?
 
Can this be used to calc the Dangai’s distance? The characters were supposed to “walk” in the Dangai for 7 days, but thanks to the cleaner they had to “run” for their lives and reached the other side in just one day. That is why they have the entire 15 days to save Rukia instead of less. The anime changed this to been a time anomaly for some weird reason.

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Cyberblader90 said:
traveling a few days at light speed is still small as heck in comparison to a universe
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Never mind. I thought you said planets at first. But yeah, they were supposed to “walk” 7 days but reached in 1 day by “running”. This matches Quilge Opie shooting a Quincy arrow aka “Arrow of Light or Ray of Light” as they sometimes described and blitz Ichigo closing the path to SS in the Dangai.
 
AppleLord said:
Ginjo is stronger than God Aizen. Call me nuts.


Fullbringers are stronger than you think. (Important note: Bleach characters CAN control their reiatsu and level of destruction and their zanpakutou sizes) - Ulquiorra says he can’t control his lanza del relampago and the author shows the huge explosion.


Bonus: Aura (Fullbringer) is compared to base Aizen in kido.

It all starts in the fullbring arc: (Let’s take author intent seriously for this to work, lets be open minded about it even if you don’t believe it, assume you do)

  1. Tsukishima is stated to defeat Pre-God Aizen before he transforms in a different timeline.
  2. Let’s not ignore the fact that all characters trained during the last 17 months.
  3. Renji says he has been training to defeat “Base Aizen”.
  4. Fullbring Ichigo is stated to have “gained the power he onced had with his incomplete mugetsu-look-alike incomplete form” and “gain more power beyond a shinigami with his complete fullbring”
  5. Tsukishima is blitzed and has his arm cut off by this Complete Fullbring Ichigo.
  6. Ginjo fought Tsukishima as equals earlier.
  7. Dangai Bankai Ichigo's normal sword swings fire shockwaves, and Fullbring Shinigami Shikai Ichigo's normal sword swing fire energy blast Ginjo confused with his old Getsuga Tensho.
  8. Enhanced Ginjo is STRONGER than Tsukishima.
  9. Byakuya almost loses to Tsukishima who got killed for underestimating Byakuya’s fighting skills. Now this Byakuya is weaker than TYBW arc who is still stated to be inferior to Yamamoto in CYOW. Yet, Base Aizen said he couldn’t defeat Yamamoto and used an arrancar to seal his shikai. Base Yhwach killed Shikai Yamamoto after stealing his bankai and Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo fought and harmed Yhwach who wasn’t going all out but did better than Yamamoto.
  10. Yamamoto’s Shikai reiatsu was stated to be transcendent back in the SS arc.
  11. Rukia stated that everyone gave their powers to Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo by that she means a bit of their reiatsu including Yamamoto.
  12. They send Renji, Byakuya, Kenpachi, Rukia, Ikkaku, and Toshiro all that man power to "kill" Ichigo if he joined with Ginjo.
  13. Ginjo is stated to be at Ichigo’s level after his training in the final arc.
  14. Ginjo fought Grimmjow who True Shikai Ichigo went immediately on guard after sensing his reiatsu and Kenpachi wanted to fight after feeling his passive reiatsu.
  15. When Yhwach says Ichigo regained the elevated power he used to defeat Aizen, a panel of Ginjo is shown to say he was at that level there.
  16. In the Kenpachi vs Unohana fight she tells the new Kenpachi that Ichigo (Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo), Renji (Fullbring Arc), and Byakuya (Fullbring Arc) are allies that rival his power and Base Yhwach included.
  17. This same Kenpachi is stated to be a rival to them and can fight Hikone in their transcendent stage.
  18. If a fullbringer like Orihime can block Yhwach’s Soul King Reiatsu, why can’t Ginjo be that strong? Ulquiorra is stronger than Yammy's argument all over again. People know the manga, anime, and databook say that Yammy is the strongest Espada and yet they claim Ulquiorra is the strongest just because he is cooler.
Nothing in a book or story is filler. Is there for a reason but people will laugh at this because they don’t want to accept it. Look what happened to Urashiki in Boruto. A strong character reduced to first arc Naruto level by the fandom online simply because he didn’t show the feats they wanted and lost badly like the Fullbringers did.
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I've seen the Fullbring arc high/god tiers being above the FKT arc high tiers arguments made before. It's actually pretty consistent with both scaling and narrative if you get passed the disbelief of the FBs who people see as weak being stronger than the Dangai Ichigo and Aizen. But when you take into account that lore wise, Ginjo and Tsukishima in CFYOW are the same strength as they were in the FB arc and didn't actually get any stronger like they keys on the wiki says, and then it doesn't seem that crazy. (Ginjo, Tsukishima, and Giriko were just wandering the Rukon and sleeping and drinking at the Shiba house. No statement of training or getting stronger besides them saying their deaths made them figure out how to use their FBs more efficiently, so they're the same strength as the FB arc).

Even FB Bankai Ichigo while heavily injured and in a tattered state was able to harm base Yhwach who's reiatsu is => Bankai Yama and was so impressed by Ichigo post Blut that he wanted to go all out in base which he didn't even consider for Yama. Bankai Ginjo was = to a full power FB Bankai Ichigo before he got a resolve/mental nerf when having the mental breakdown about why Ichigo was trying to understand him while rejecting him. We know that in Bleach, mental/resolve amps or nerfs are game changing. Especially true for Ginjo since he went from being able to casually slap away Ichigo's getsugas with regular slashes when they were both in shikai, to being even in Bankai pre inner monoluge, to getting smoked by him post monologue to the point where Ichigo could break his zan. And going beyond that CFYOW Ginjo was said to be able to kill Hikone who has enough reiatsu/raw power to be the Soul King, and was said to be able to become the Soul King himself, when the title comes with both a hybrid and reiryoku/reiatsu/power level requirement too. There's more that goes into it as well

But if you make the argument seriously, it's almost like blasphemy in the Bleach community lmao
 
Jo-Smooth said:
I've seen the Fullbring arc high/god tiers being above the FKT arc high tiers arguments made before. It's actually pretty consistent with both scaling and narrative if you get passed the disbelief of the FBs who people see as weak being stronger than the Dangai Ichigo and Aizen. But when you take into account that lore wise, Ginjo and Tsukishima in CFYOW are the same strength as they were in the FB arc and didn't actually get any stronger like they keys on the wiki says, and then it doesn't seem that crazy. (Ginjo, Tsukishima, and Giriko were just wandering the Rukon and sleeping and drinking at the Shiba house. No statement of training or getting stronger besides them saying their deaths made them figure out how to use their FBs more efficiently, so they're the same strength as the FB arc).

Even FB Bankai Ichigo while heavily injured and in a tattered state was able to harm base Yhwach who's reiatsu is => Bankai Yama and was so impressed by Ichigo post Blut that he wanted to go all out in base which he didn't even consider for Yama. Bankai Ginjo was = to a full power FB Bankai Ichigo before he got a resolve/mental nerf when having the mental breakdown about why Ichigo was trying to understand him while rejecting him. We know that in Bleach, mental/resolve amps or nerfs are game changing. Especially true for Ginjo since he went from being able to casually slap away Ichigo's getsugas with regular slashes when they were both in shikai, to being even in Bankai pre inner monoluge, to getting smoked by him post monologue to the point where Ichigo could break his zan. And going beyond that CFYOW Ginjo was said to be able to kill Hikone who has enough reiatsu/raw power to be the Soul King, and was said to be able to become the Soul King himself, when the title comes with both a hybrid and reiryoku/reiatsu/power level requirement too. There's more that goes into it as well

But if you make the argument seriously, it's almost like blasphemy in the Bleach community lmao
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Tokinada also asked Ginjo if he wanted to become Soul King (to betray everyone?) so he could destroy the world to create a new one.
 
AppleLord said:
SS characters have LS feats. Uryu move so fast he left his shadow behind and we have Reishi light which was the progenitor of real light. 🤔
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Yep uryus arrows are also called rays of light. So i think ss uryus light speed meta is consistent. But i doubt vsb will except it
 
cept when almost anything quincy related is called light, mask,uarahara,as nodt,quincy arrow, juhas ashwalen... but sure keep ignoring things
 
Being called light is nowhere near enough though, doesn't matter if it's said once or a thousand times, makes no difference.
 
Zezu1995 said:
if its being said over 1000 times then maybe the intent is clear? sometimes i wonder about yall
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You misunderstand

It doesn't matter what "we" think, it matters what the staff members think and what the standards allow.

If you want my opinion, I think it's pretty clear what Kubo's intent is, but that doesn't matter here.
 
isn't there a success in escaping light that should make light arrows consistent? I think ishida also had a similar success to YORUCHI'S SS arc ishida
 
Cyberblader90 said:
arrow of light =/= light
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Is an arrow of reishi. Yhwach's Auswhalen is also called Light by Byakuya. Basically Reishi is light. Their souls are made of light. Don't forget the living world was split and created from the original world were reishi already existed. Basically reishi was created first and then split and kishi was created.
 
AppleLord said:
Is an arrow of reishi. Yhwach's Auswhalen is also called Light by Byakuya. Basically Reishi is light. Their souls are made of light. Don't forget the living world was split and created from the original world were reishi already existed. Basically reishi was created first and then split and kishi was created.
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Auswahlen isn't Reishi. Pretty sure the tree construct absorbs Reishi but it didn't absorb Auswahlen.
 
Reshi and natural light behave the same. The sun light in ss behaves like natural light. And all things in bleach are spiritual stated by ginjo everything even in the material world has a soul.

Then theirs implication that reshi elements may surpass real elements like with candice's lighting which is stated to far surpass natural lightning

Girkio saying light in bleach moves at LS so we can assume all light moves at light speed. Girkio was also in ss when he made this statement. So he's likely talking about reshi light
 
Damage3245 said:
Auswahlen isn't Reishi. Pretty sure the tree construct absorbs Reishi but it didn't absorb Auswahlen.
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Everything in the afterlife is made of reishi. Kishi bodies cannot exist there that is a 1-on-1 we learned from Urahara. Even Hisagi had to convert a motorcycle into reishi when he took it to SS. Kubo either forgot and made a plot hole or Auswhalen is made of/from whatever dimension Soul King came from before arriving in the Bleachverse itself.
 
AppleLord said:
Everything in the afterlife is made of reishi. Kishi bodies cannot exist there that is a 1-on-1 we learned from Urahara. Even Hisagi had to convert a motorcycle into reishi when he took it to SS. Kubo either forgot and made a plot hole or Auswhalen is made of/from whatever dimension Soul King came from before arriving in the Bleachverse itself.
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well the cage of life thing absorbs it and it got passed, personally i just call it "raw power"
 
Zezu1995 said:
well the cage of life thing absorbs it and it got passed, personally i just call it "raw power"
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The particles that make Auswhalen or the light of Auswhalen need to be composed of reishi as everything else in that dimension. Or is its own element that we don't know about out.
 
It is possible that Auswhalen's reishi particles scale in power to Yhwach and can't be absorbed by that technique of Kirio Hikifune.

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1. Hikifune's statement was about reishi attacking the tree and how it uses it to self-regenerate.
2. Yhwach wasn't attacking the tree with Auswhalen, so it didn't needed to absorbed the spiritual particles in Auswhalen to regenerate.
3. Jugram is talking about the "Power" Aushwalen is carrying back up there, in case her tree can play offensive and try to absorb it to prevent the power up. Jugram is not talking about the physical particles of the Auswhalen.

This makes sense now.

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I mean sure Transcendence never existed in the first place. Ichigo's potential is a joke so everyone can simply catch up to him and he way stronger because sure writing says so. True Shikai is legit the biggest embarrassment of the series, why even go through the character arc and reforge of the blade if you can just keep the Fullbring Shikai and nothing will change
 
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