BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Arcker123]

Shunsui Vs Blackbeard

A post RC world... Hopefully this can be fair https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Marshall_D._Teach_(Blackbeard)#cite_ref-2 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shunsui_Ky%C5%8Draku TYBW Shunsui vs Yonko BB (4.4 Petatons vs 18 Petatons. Shunsui can use shikai to Amp to 445 Petatons) Speed = SBA...

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[ReaperAndBlues]

Haki ggs vs Reiatsu ggs, shit boutta get toxic quick.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

What would be your response if somebody said hisagi's bankai > ichibei's bankai

I would say they're spitting facts, because Ichibei's bankai likely isn't Reio level while Hisagi's bankai can affect people at Hikone's level.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Aight simmer down buster

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Chair-sama Aizen clears, period.

 

[Adam1396]

Chair-sama Aizen clears, period.

While seating

 

[Adam1396]

I would say they're spitting facts, because Ichibei's bankai likely isn't Reio level while Hisagi's bankai can affect people at Hikone's level.

It's not they it's you
Hisagi's bankai gets nameless. It even loses the chance of being a chump of metal.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I got a topic for ya'll:

Lets say that Ichigo gets some type of controlled FH form, and is off fighting base Aizen elsewhere, leaving Gin and Tosen to fight the Gotei 13 in the Karakura town war. Could the Gotei 13 (- Yamamoto and Unohana, since he'd already be out and Unohana is a cheat IG. Also no Bleach Sannin members because they'd be cheat picks) beat Gin and Tosen? Discuss.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yamamoto is putting Gin and Tosen in a pack.

 

[Crobatman44]

I got a topic for ya'll:

Lets say that Ichigo gets some type of controlled FH form, and is off fighting base Aizen elsewhere, leaving Gin and Tosen to fight the Gotei 13 in the Karakura town war. Could the Gotei 13 (- Yamamoto and Unohana, since he'd already be out and Unohana is a cheat IG. Also no Bleach Sannin members because they'd be cheat picks) beat Gin and Tosen? Discuss.

Question,will Gin be watching Tosen's back to ensure his Canon fate does not happen?
Cause otherwise Gin might get dogpiled (by a large amount of people most of which are weaker than him so they don't really matter).
Shinji would be their best answer in terms of actually fighting him head but Buto Renjin should take him down unless he actually uses his Mask.
I guess Shikai Shunsui might not go down instantly unless he gets slammed with Buto Renjin????

 

[Crobatman44]

Yamamoto is putting Gin and Tosen in a pack.

Pretty certain Guac excluded Yama/Unohana/Bleach sannin?

 

[SlendVeny]

I got a topic for ya'll:

Lets say that Ichigo gets some type of controlled FH form, and is off fighting base Aizen elsewhere, leaving Gin and Tosen to fight the Gotei 13 in the Karakura town war. Could the Gotei 13 (- Yamamoto and Unohana, since he'd already be out and Unohana is a cheat IG. Also no Bleach Sannin members because they'd be cheat picks) beat Gin and Tosen? Discuss.

Been so long since I read that arc. Who's the full cast fighting them?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I can’t read, ima Bleach fan. Shunsui uses his Bankai probably

 

[SlendVeny]

I had forgot Ichigo and Ganju were related. That's pretty cool.

 

[SlendVeny]

I got a topic for ya'll:

Lets say that Ichigo gets some type of controlled FH form, and is off fighting base Aizen elsewhere, leaving Gin and Tosen to fight the Gotei 13 in the Karakura town war. Could the Gotei 13 (- Yamamoto and Unohana, since he'd already be out and Unohana is a cheat IG. Also no Bleach Sannin members because they'd be cheat picks) beat Gin and Tosen? Discuss.

Can Mimihagi be used for combat purposes? If so, Ukitake might slam.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Jushiro got snuck by Wonderweiss bro ain’t doing shit

 

[SlendVeny]

Jushiro got snuck by Wonderweiss bro ain’t doing shit

You say this as if Wonderweiss isn't the goat

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Uncanny Mr Incredible

 

[Crobatman44]

I can’t read, ima Bleach fan. Shunsui uses his Bankai probably

It's part of the Bleach fan lifecycle that at some point you become unable to read.

 

[SlendVeny]

It's part of the Bleach fan lifecycle that at some point you become unable to read.

This is true. One time, I was trying to read Bleach, but it was 2 AM and I fell asleep instead.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Yamamoto is putting Gin and Tosen in a pack.

Yamamoto is explicitly out, click the spoiler

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I'd personally say that if Shunsui doesn't use his bankai, they lose. Not to like overrate Shunsui's abilities or whatever, but I do think that if he pulls it off in time, it's like a domain expansion basically, and they don't have the stats to power through it.

 

[Excellence616]

I'd personally say that if Shunsui doesn't use his bankai, they lose. Not to like overrate Shunsui's abilities or whatever, but I do think that if he pulls it off in time, it's like a domain expansion basically, and they don't have the stats to power through it.

What of Kenpachi?

 

[Crobatman44]

What of Kenpachi?

Stuck fighting the strongest Espada in Hueco mundo with Byakuya.
I actually a combination of Hollow Mask Shinji/Bankai Komamura might be able to take down hollow mask Tosen(and if he goes into Res he might beat them but would get sneaked by Hisagi anyway.)
Gin probably Buto Renjin Komamura from a safe distance and then deal with Shinji but Shunsui should be able to just Bankai him.
Everyone else is just cannon fodder/distractions that help the win conditions get the chance to strike.
The FKT Gotei/Vizards should win but they would probably take heavy losses.
I do agree that Shunsui's Bankai is kinda needed,since while they do have the resources to take down 1 of them,without Shunsui's Bankai they can't deal with the remaining one.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

What of Kenpachi?

Lol, forgot Kenpachi. I didn't say if Byakuya and Kenpachi are there for the hypothetical. I guess Kenpachi definitely adapts in time lol.

Kenpachi 100% has greater AP than Butorenjin, no doubt. He dealt more damage than a masked Black Getsuga to Yammy. Not to be overly ambitious with damage scaling, but I'd find it highly doubtful if he didn't based on the huge chunk he took out of Yammy.

As for Kenpachi vs Gin, I think Kenpachi can probably adapt to it in time, if he doesn't get taken out in one shot. He probably wouldn't get one shot, but a well placed one could, like maybe to the head or something, IDK.

Hollow Mask Shinji/Bankai Komamura might be able to take down hollow mask Tosen

Hollow Shinji is enough for Tosen. Tosen is ****** if he fights Shinji, given how Shinji dodged a full strike from Tosen, and they both basically have the same amp on top of that.

Hollow Shinji definitely gotta be fast enough to deal with Gin. He might unironically be the strongest in the Karakura town war, if you exclude Aizen, Yamamoto, and Unohana (OFC not counting the Sannin, since they only show up in the Deicide arc).

I guess that's my hot take, lol. Shinji underrated fr.

 

[Malekith]

Your brain is melting every day, calm down on the 06/07 it becomes a new trailer

 

[Crobatman44]

Lol, forgot Kenpachi. I didn't say if Byakuya and Kenpachi are there for the hypothetical. I guess Kenpachi definitely adapts in time lol.

Kenpachi 100% has greater AP than Butorenjin, no doubt. He dealt more damage than a masked Black Getsuga to Yammy. Not to be overly ambitious with damage scaling, but I'd find it highly doubtful if he didn't based on the huge chunk he took out of Yammy.

As for Kenpachi vs Gin, I think Kenpachi can probably adapt to it in time, if he doesn't get taken out in one shot. He probably wouldn't get one shot, but a well placed one could, like maybe to the head or something, IDK.


Hollow Shinji is enough for Tosen. Tosen is ****** if he fights Shinji, given how Shinji dodged a full strike from Tosen, and they both basically have the same amp on top of that.

Hollow Shinji definitely gotta be fast enough to deal with Gin. He might unironically be the strongest in the Karakura town war, if you exclude Aizen, Yamamoto, and Unohana (OFC not counting the Sannin, since they only show up in the Deicide arc).

I guess that's my hot take, lol. Shinji underrated fr.

Worst case scenario Kenpachi can just throw a Ryoudan and Gin turns into paste.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

The issue for Kenpachi is speed.

 

[Barry_Ken]

 

[Behemoth98]

I see, that's why God Mizuiro can't use Shikai. In fact, he is the Soul King's pp, and Ichibei knows that, so he erased Mizuiro shikai fr fr

 

[Westcoast5005]

I got a topic for ya'll:

Lets say that Ichigo gets some type of controlled FH form, and is off fighting base Aizen elsewhere, leaving Gin and Tosen to fight the Gotei 13 in the Karakura town war. Could the Gotei 13 (- Yamamoto and Unohana, since he'd already be out and Unohana is a cheat IG. Also no Bleach Sannin members because they'd be cheat picks) beat Gin and Tosen? Discuss.

If gin and tosen uses their Bankai the should win because kyoyaraku wouldn’t want to uses his Bankai earlier because is Allie’s would be close they have no knowledge of gin Bankai abilities plus it one shots every captain there if tosen uses his Bankai instead of resurrection it would give them a bigger advantage as they wouldn’t deal with is hax.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Funny enough, I brought this up to arc before. Not the Ichibei joke, but in general it might’ve been a dropped plot line

 

[Barry_Ken]

I see, that's why God Mizuiro can't use Shikai. In fact, he is the Soul King's pp, and Ichibei knows that, so he erased Mizuiro shikai fr fr

Ichibei planned all of bleach, fr

 

[Excellence616]

If someone can ask that in Klub Q&A

 

[Adam1396]

If someone can ask that in Klub Q&A

The blacken is on point if it's not fake scan

 

[AKUTO123]

can someone explain to me why aizen and ichigo arent 4D or 5D even though he straight up compares their gap in spatial axis?

People will put forward many different reasons, such as "they are just making a metaphor" or "there is no success to support this", but for me the main reason is that TYBW, that is, the continuation of the series, does not support Aizen's words at that time. True shikai Ichigo or its derivatives, which are basically the same as the transcendental forms in Karakura, do not support the words of Aizen in the Karakura arc, do not comply with those words, and even have many contradictory things.

 

[Adam1396]

People will put forward many different reasons, such as "they are just making a metaphor" or "there is no success to support this", but for me the main reason is that TYBW, that is, the continuation of the series, does not support Aizen's words at that time. True shikai Ichigo or its derivatives, which are basically the same as the transcendental forms in Karakura, do not support the words of Aizen in the Karakura arc, do not comply with those words, and even have many contradictory things.

I would argue their ap being up there. But their existence itself is not higher D very clearly.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The argument was never higher D existence, it was always about their power/reiatsu. No one (or at least I hope) thought Aizen was a higher level existence.

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Funny enough, I brought this up to arc before. Not the Ichibei joke, but in general it might’ve been a dropped plot line

I think it's just a reference to his... relationships with older women.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]