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Yamamoto is explicitly out, click the spoiler
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Guacamolefletcher
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I'd personally say that if Shunsui doesn't use his bankai, they lose. Not to like overrate Shunsui's abilities or whatever, but I do think that if he pulls it off in time, it's like a domain expansion basically, and they don't have the stats to power through it.
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What of Kenpachi?
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Stuck fighting the strongest Espada in Hueco mundo with Byakuya.
I actually a combination of Hollow Mask Shinji/Bankai Komamura might be able to take down hollow mask Tosen(and if he goes into Res he might beat them but would get sneaked by Hisagi anyway.)
Gin probably Buto Renjin Komamura from a safe distance and then deal with Shinji but Shunsui should be able to just Bankai him.
Everyone else is just cannon fodder/distractions that help the win conditions get the chance to strike.
The FKT Gotei/Vizards should win but they would probably take heavy losses.
I do agree that Shunsui's Bankai is kinda needed,since while they do have the resources to take down 1 of them,without Shunsui's Bankai they can't deal with the remaining one.
Guacamolefletcher
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Lol, forgot Kenpachi. I didn't say if Byakuya and Kenpachi are there for the hypothetical. I guess Kenpachi definitely adapts in time lol.
Kenpachi 100% has greater AP than Butorenjin, no doubt. He dealt more damage than a masked Black Getsuga to Yammy. Not to be overly ambitious with damage scaling, but I'd find it highly doubtful if he didn't based on the huge chunk he took out of Yammy.
As for Kenpachi vs Gin, I think Kenpachi can probably adapt to it in time, if he doesn't get taken out in one shot. He probably wouldn't get one shot, but a well placed one could, like maybe to the head or something, IDK.
Hollow Shinji is enough for Tosen. Tosen is ****** if he fights Shinji, given how Shinji dodged a full strike from Tosen, and they both basically have the same amp on top of that.
Hollow Shinji definitely gotta be fast enough to deal with Gin. He might unironically be the strongest in the Karakura town war, if you exclude Aizen, Yamamoto, and Unohana (OFC not counting the Sannin, since they only show up in the Deicide arc).
I guess that's my hot take, lol. Shinji underrated fr.
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Worst case scenario Kenpachi can just throw a Ryoudan and Gin turns into paste.
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The issue for Kenpachi is speed.
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I see, that's why God Mizuiro can't use Shikai. In fact, he is the Soul King's pp, and Ichibei knows that, so he erased Mizuiro shikai fr fr
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If gin and tosen uses their Bankai the should win because kyoyaraku wouldn’t want to uses his Bankai earlier because is Allie’s would be close they have no knowledge of gin Bankai abilities plus it one shots every captain there if tosen uses his Bankai instead of resurrection it would give them a bigger advantage as they wouldn’t deal with is hax.
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Funny enough, I brought this up to arc before. Not the Ichibei joke, but in general it might’ve been a dropped plot line
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Excellence616
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If someone can ask that in Klub Q&A
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The blacken is on point if it's not fake scan
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People will put forward many different reasons, such as "they are just making a metaphor" or "there is no success to support this", but for me the main reason is that TYBW, that is, the continuation of the series, does not support Aizen's words at that time. True shikai Ichigo or its derivatives, which are basically the same as the transcendental forms in Karakura, do not support the words of Aizen in the Karakura arc, do not comply with those words, and even have many contradictory things.
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I would argue their ap being up there. But their existence itself is not higher D very clearly.
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I think it's just a reference to his... relationships with older women.
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Guacamolefletcher
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Where did this come from? It might be like a brain fart moment or something, but I didn't get this in the short extra chapter dedicated to him.
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I remember there being a scene where she see him in a fancy looking room high up in a building, there with an older woman
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From chapter 0.8. It's a bonus chapter in the end of volume 12, I think. In manga reading sites, it might be chapter 107.5. It focuses on Mizuiro and Keigo when they first met Ichigo and Chad. The first few pages show Mizuiro with a much older woman, with the implication being that they slept with each other. At the end of the chapter, Mizuiro stopped going to that woman. It's a very sweet chapter. I recommend you read it.
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This is the page where we see Mizuiro and the woman.
You could argue that the woman is his aunt or something, but these pages:
imply otherwise. What confirms it for me is Keigo's smile after Mizuiro refuses to see the woman. The way I see it, Mizuiro has a bad family, with his mother prioritizing other men over her own son. Mizuiro started going out with women either for money or for affection (I'm leaning towards the second). But after meeting Ichigo and Chad, he realised that he did not need to ***** himself out for affection since he already has people who appreciate him. It's also the main theme of this particular chapter, that being strong connections between people despite everything in your life not going as well as you would want it.
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It's a serious implication, NGL.
I hadn't noticed the panel with the woman, or I guess I forgot. Upon second reading it makes sense
I hadn't noticed the panel with the woman, or I guess I forgot. Upon second reading it makes sense
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Also this :
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or lady killer or something in that line.
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Kira's power is not to double weight. Not as he claims. Kira's power works by "x2" the weight of the soul itself. Is a soul manipulation zanpakutou.
A zanpakutou = your soul
According to Kubo a zanpakutou is weightless to its own owner.
However, he was able to affect Matsumoto's zanpakutou. Why? Because of the same reason it can affect matter, and non-living beings, a zanpakutou is made out of Reishi as all-souls in bleach. And everything in Soul Society is made out of Reishi. How does it work on the Living World? Easy, all matter (kishi) has a small soul inside of it and that's how Fullbringers fight. Souls are made of Reishi.
Kira's zanpakutou through power is to manipulate the soul and Reishi.
A zanpakutou = your soul
According to Kubo a zanpakutou is weightless to its own owner.
However, he was able to affect Matsumoto's zanpakutou. Why? Because of the same reason it can affect matter, and non-living beings, a zanpakutou is made out of Reishi as all-souls in bleach. And everything in Soul Society is made out of Reishi. How does it work on the Living World? Easy, all matter (kishi) has a small soul inside of it and that's how Fullbringers fight. Souls are made of Reishi.
Kira's zanpakutou through power is to manipulate the soul and Reishi.
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The answer is to not think too hard about it
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Is there a distinction between konpaku and tamashi? Both of them translate to soul, but I'm curious if there is some context lost due to translation.
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I thought about this, and I think not.
it might be that a Konpaku is the spiritual body
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The fact that their APs are 4D is compatible with 2C feat in TYBW, but the fact that they are existentially 4D contradicts TYBW, that's what I just wanted to say.
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What would Ichibei's intelligence be ranked as. I personally think he should be Extraordinary Genius due to his knowledge and mastery of Kido (being able to use sacred Kido and use Kido without even saying the number like Aizen) naming every phenomenon in the Soul Society, his experience, and how he oversaw all of Bleach and has over millions of years of experience.
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I think EG is fine as Yhwach designated him as one of the war potentials because of his wisdom, given the amount of time he has existed, and how he has been crucial to the founding of the Soul Society. It should at least place him relative with other EG who weren't considered war potentials and don't possess as much knowledge as he does, like Mayuri.
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Can't he also see and interfere with zankpakuto worlds/soul reaper inner worlds?
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So the difference between Konpaku (魂魄) and Tamashi (魂) is:
Konpaku is used to describe spiritual bodies. (so basically dead people such as Soul Reapers and people who reside in the SS.)
Tamashi is used to describe a spiritual essence (think of when Ginjo says Fullbringers can bring out the soul of an object or Ichigo’s spiritual essence within his Shinigami Badge)
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Guacamolefletcher
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I second this
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