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Bakugo vs yang

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Well when bakugo blasted nine near the end

Nine was weakened because of his condition getting worse. That's why he wanted kasumas cell quriks so he can be healed

Also when nine is healthy he can block city block level+ attacks so that makes sense how he can block bakugos attacks
 
Not voting, but just a question, isn't Yang much more skilled than Bakugo, or are they equal when it comes to that?
 
I mean yang teamed up with blake beat skilled huntsman that are part of a team made out of some of the best (but not good as winter lol) hunstmen and huntress, even if they work together not as friends but only as co-workers
 
I knew people were going to bring that up.

Bakugo scales to his explosions because he always takes recoil from them, the center of the blast is always in his hands. Also Bakugo unleashed two explosions in that scene, the first broke Nine shield, and the second bigger one is the 8.12 Ton explosion I calc.

You can see that I don't measure the part of the blast in the beginning, that's because that was the first explosion. Nine is also slowly dying do to his disease and the overuse of his Quirks, so until his tubes break he's been getting weaker and weaker. When he first fought his shields could block an 8-B+ attack.

Note: I'm not voting, Yang vs Bakugo never turns out good.
 
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Bakugo’s strength for his explosions scale directly to the durability of his opponents, if you’re having doubts about how strong the force of his explosions always are. For example, despite his explosions being far smaller than is required, Bakugo is capable of harming 5% Deku who has building+ durability from several calcs. Bakugo’s calced 8-C+ explosion harmed Deku similarly to how those other attacks did, despite the fact that Deku should have taken less damage. That is evidence for his explosions scaling based off size, as well as them not needing to be the same size to inflict similar damage.

More examples of this is him being able to harm Kirishima despite his hardening making him able to withstand attacks from Sato. Sato, in regards to your calc questions, is directly able to break Bakugo’s gauntlets, which are designed to handle the full force of his standard explosions, as is calced to High 8-C+. Despite this, Sato can break them, and Bakugo is regarded as superior to Sato, specifically in strength. It’s a strange scaling chain based off the mechanics of Bakugo’s quirk.

More examples include Bakugo being able to one shot standard thugs with small explosions, as well as being able to harm other students in training. In all of these examples, Bakugo uses explosions that are FAR smaller than can be reliably calc’d for the tier of opponents he’s hurting, yet he’s often always portrayed as completely dominating and overpowering in strength. The conclusion is therefore that the size doesn’t matter for any more than a gauge of how strong his explosions can get. He can harm people with his large explosions the same way he harms them with his smaller.

Does it not make sense? Yes. Is that how it works? Yes.

He can make his explosions bigger than normal, but that doesn’t change their potency, or if it does, it isn’t by much. The size is just the scale for how much damage he’s doing.

WeeklyBattles said:
Huh, weird, but yeah do you see where im coming from? His explosions before that one are all notably smaller and were able to be blocked by Nine's barriers
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I know right? Weird. For your question though, he used AP shot against that barrier initially actually, which is designed to be the weakest explosions he can make. He uses them for distraction, counterattack or covering fire rather than damage, and even uses them to block the projectiles of others.

As you can notice right before he shoots those shots though, he directly blocks Nine’s laser beam attacks, and those same attacks were able to severely injure other students who are baseline High 8-C. The explosions he used to block those attacks were no where near High 8-C in size, but they worked as if they were High 8-C in strength.

Further supporting evidence of Bakugo scaling to his explosions is when he, just physically, tossed Deku at High 8-C levels of force. When he had OFA, he was able to harm an amped Nine despite him having far higher Dura than the size of explosion he used. He even can just scale to characters like Aoyama who have an accepted High 8-C+ calc. Heck, Deku at 8% kicks Weakened Nine in the face, and despite your calcs of his point blank explosions only being 9-B Force, Bakugo’s explosion was able to harm Nine and almost defeat him.

Essentially, there is far more evidence that Bakugo‘s explosions are the same strength at all times than that they aren’t. The size is just a reference for how much energy is being put into each explosion.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I knew people were going to bring that up.

Bakugo scales to his explosions because he always takes recoil from them, the center of the blast is always in his hands. Also Bakugo unleashed two explosions in that scene, the first broke Nine shield, and the second bigger one is the 8.12 Ton explosion I calc.

You can see that I don't measure the part of the blast in the beginning, that's because that was the first explosion. Nine is also slowly dying do to his disease and the overuse of his Quirks, so until his tubes break he's been getting weaker and weaker. When he first fought his shields could block an 8-B+ attack.
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Justwant to point out that even being in the palm of his hands he wouldnt scale fully to the blast
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yang is vastly more skilled yes
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In cqc? Yes, she is more skilled. Does that matter for this fight? Not really, given Bakugo doesn’t fight at cqc, instead being mid range and only going in for quick explosions before backing out. Also, Bakugo’s intelligence advantage lets him analyze how Yang fights and counter her based on it. She’s skilled sure, but Bakugo is much smarter and has far more tools at his disposal.

Yang would need to keep up with Bakugo’s mobility first, and while she has similar capabilities with her gauntlets, Bakugo’s mobility is more versatile given his hax and ability to move and attack large areas at the same time.

His AoE is also an issue, as unlike V1-3 Yang, who he does not fight like at all, he spams large reaching attacks rather than punches or kicks. And if he’s up close, Yang is severely hard pressed to dodge him, especially since he can spam them, blind Yang or fake her out.
 
I dont quite see how he is smarter given Yang's insane adaptability in combat compared to Bakugo's strategy of just blowing things up until theyre dead

How exactly is his mobility more versatile?

>Doesnt fight like Yang at all

Lets see...
*Rushes into fights swinging as hard as he can
*Spams explosions
*Skilled with weapon/abilities but still gets hotheaded in fights

Mind explaining how he isnt? Vol 1-3 Yang spams the hell out of her ranged attacks. Also i dont see why Yang cant just do what she did against Adam or Elm
 
If you think Bakugo just “blows things up till they’re dead” then you aren’t paying attention. Bakugo being a prodigy in combat due to his analysis of opponents weaknesses and strengths is a part of his character that has been present since the beginning, is constantly brought up, is praised, and it’s something he employs all the time. Against Nine? He figures out his quirks and how best to dodge them, only getting beat around due to how versatile and faster than him Nine constantly was. He even predicts Nine’s usage of his barrier to fake him out just seconds after seeing he has the ability. Did you really interpret his initial fight agaisnt nine as him just rushing in with no plan?

Against opponents in the sports festival? The only one who got the drop on him was Ochako, everyone else he bat around and found the weaknesses of with ease.

Agaisnt Deku? Deku has lived with Bakugo for his entire life, and has studied every aspect of his growth. He knows Bakugo’s fighting style, his abilities, nearly everything about him, yet is still unable to beat him, and is beat up and down with Bakugo’s sporadic attacks. Someone who knows Bakugo inside and out couldn’t surprise and win out over him due to how smart he is. Deku, whose analysis is able to predict intangible people floating through the floor and invisible air platforms, cannot reliably beat Bakugo due to Bakugo’s skill.

In every fight Bakugo has been in, he has displayed strength AND intelligence, not just “die die die”. Unlike Yang, who just has cool ingenuity and fighting moments, Bakugo is constantly planning and analyzing around his opponents abilities, similar in scale to Deku. He is MUCH smarter than her in that regard, has far better feats than her, and given how many tools he has compared to Yang, has a far higher degree of versatility and choice in how he can approach this fight. Dumbing Bakugo down to “he just rushes in and attacks, he’s stupid” is a blatant misjustice to his character.
 
His mobility is more versatile because he has more options than Yang does in the air. His stun grenade and ability to attack at the same time he moves is better than Yang’s gauntlets.

Once again, you dumb down his character. Bakugo has multiple fighting styles depending on who he fights, as opposed to Yang who ACTUALLY fights the same. Bakugo can easily tell Yang has better cqc than him, and proceed to back out and fight at range the whole fight, only going in for quirk explosions or stun grenades. He is smarter, and thus can plan around his opponent. That is a large difference between him and Yang that she has no feats for. She is skilled in combat due to her ingenuity, not due to her ability to plan around an opponents fighting style by dramatically changing her own.

Yang has never produced explosions as large as Bakugo does, which is why she will be hard pressed to dodge them when he blasts her at close range while she’s blinded.
 
Keen Intellect: Katsuki has proven to be extremely intelligent and strategic. While he occasionally doesn't have preemptive strategies like most people, he does analyze his opponent's weaknesses such as when he realized Fumikage Tokoyami's weakness to light during the U.A. Sports Festival in the midst of battle and can anticipate worst-case scenarios. Even when fighting the weaker villains during the Unforeseen Simulation Joint, Katsuki quickly assessed which of the attacking villains were the most dangerous threat in the long term and eventually figured out a way to incapacitate Kurogiri, one of the invasion's leaders. He also knew that Kurogiri had a weakness and bound his body to hinder his escape. By doing this, he effectively trapped the League of Villains in the USJ until Nomu attacked.

Even outside of battle, Katsuki is incredibly perceptive, having deducted the truth about One For All by just piecing together comments and interactions surrounding Izuku Midoriya, All Might, and even All For One. Katsuki can seemingly detect when people are lying to him by just reading into their behaviors and expressions.
 
There is a reason Hirokoshi list Bakugo as haveing this as his technique stat
Technique 5/6 A+
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
His mobility is more versatile because he has more options than Yang does in the air. His stun grenade and ability to attack at the same time he moves is better than Yang’s gauntlets.

Once again, you dumb down his character. Bakugo has multiple fighting styles depending on who he fights, as opposed to Yang who ACTUALLY fights the same. Bakugo can easily tell Yang has better cqc than him, and proceed to back out and fight at range the whole fight, only going in for quirk explosions or stun grenades. He is smarter, and thus can plan around his opponent. That is a large difference between him and Yang that she has no feats for. She is skilled in combat due to her ingenuity, not due to her ability to plan around an opponents fighting style by dramatically changing her own.

Yang has never produced explosions as large as Bakugo does, which is why she will be hard pressed to dodge them when he blasts her at close range while she’s blinded.
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Such as? Yang has her normal ranged attacks, sticky bombs, and shockwaves, all of which she can and does use in conjunction with her mobility to simultaneously attack and move around.

Its not dumbing down if its accurate, plyus youre kina the one dumbing down Yang here. Im not sure if you think we're using Volume 1-3 Yang but this version of Yang does in fact use multiple fighting styles depending on the opponent and regularly alters her combat style to better counter who she's fighting. Yang has an excessive amount of feats of planning around her opponent, not sure what youre talking about.

She doesnt need to dodge, one explosion tanked and she will be strong enough to onshot him
 
Her sticky bombs and normal ranged are countered by his explosions, especially AP shot, and I never recall her using shockwaves mid air. Also, none of that addresses Bakugo blinding her with stun grenade or being able to blast her back with all of his movements.

All of her feats are cqc related though. Which Bakugo can counter by realizing and adjusting. What is Yang’s counter to her main source of damage being cut off by an opponent far smarter than her that will be analyzing her every move.

Yang can’t one shot him, and even if she could Bakugo is never going to be near her for her to do that. Also, he can blind her and she can’t do anything. And one explosion won’t make her use her semblance, she uses it after taking a lot of damage not one hit.

Basically, what is Yang’s counter to Ranged attacks with far higher AoE than her own, as well as being blinded and blown up anytime she tries to get in cqc.
 
You have yet to explain how explosions would counter energy attacks with feats of going through explosions

No? 75% of her feats are range related. Her counter is to not lose that source of damage in the first place as sh is immensely smarter tactics-wise than he is.

She can. She oneshots 16 tons with her semblance, she can oneshot him.

Her own higher ranged attacks that cant be countered by explosions as well as tanking the explosions in cqc and not looking at the thing that blinds her. Plus aura senses giving her an edge even when blinded.
 
You said her shots are kinetic force correct? And they have been demonstrated to obey normal laws of physics, such as curving in the air. Why would an explosion directly hitting them not disrupt them? I mentioned AP shot specifically as well as being concentrated force, which would definitely interfere with her attacks, and that he has used in this manner before.

Her range is purely shooting her gauntlets, which Bakugo can dodge. She, however, can’t dodge him blasting her with explosions 50 meters in size.

Which 16 ton has she one shot with her semblance?

Her larger range is useless if her attacks can be countered, and she isn’t tanking attacks that are on her level. Bakugo’s hand is the thing that blinds her. She would have to look away from him, and then she gets blown up for doing so. So she doesn’t have a counter to it at all.

Has she ever used her aura sense directly after being blinded from a flash of light in order to dodge huge explosions from point blank?
 
She got cought by the ace ops, while the only one who sensed them coming was Ren
 
Should she even have her semblance here? Abilities that amp you to another tier are commonly disabled, so if the win con here is “she just amps to a different tier and one shots”, than it isn’t exactly fair.

In fact, I recall the other threads for Yang vs Bakugo restricting her semblance due to that reason.
 
Weekly is claiming that she can one shot 16 ton characters, 2x where he scales. He’s also claiming she’s equal to Bakugo in stats, so Bakugo being a + now is irrelevant.
 
They are energy and they do not obey the laws of physics.

She can dodge pretty damn easy by being 100 meters away.

She oneshot Moonslice amped Adam. Also both her aura and her bionic arm are 8-B in durability.

It cant be though, her shots have shown the ability to bypass explosions, and due to her aura she can actually tank attacks on her level, thats the entire point of aura.

Yes, there are even people like Fox who are completely blind who see directly through their aura senses.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
They are energy and they do not obey the laws of physics.

She can dodge pretty damn easy by being 100 meters away.

She oneshot Moonslice amped Adam. Also both her aura and her bionic arm are 8-B in durability.

It cant be though, her shots have shown the ability to bypass explosions, and due to her aura she can actually tank attacks on her level, thats the entire point of aura.

Yes, there are even people like Fox who are completely blind who see directly through their aura senses.
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Yes they do? Prove they don’t, why should I take your word for that?

He gets closer to 30 meters and starts blasting her from there, she can’t stop him.

She didn’t one shot him, he got right back up and his aura was already low by a lot of fighting beforehand. That’s just blatantly false.

When have her shots gone through explosions? Please post this claim you keep stating. And aura doesn’t prevent pain, she can still be hurt and pushed back by people on her level.

She isn’t fox, so her aura sense doesn’t scale to him without feats. What are her feats with aura sense.
 
Also, I just noticed (again) that Yang doesn’t even shoot pure kinetic energy. She shoots a bullet/shell. You can even see in her fight with the Ace Ops that she leaves behind shells when she shoots her gauntlets.

Why are you claiming her projectiles aren’t solid objects shot from her gun gauntlets?

Apologies for posting 3x in a row.
 
Bakugo's Fighting Style Literally makes people do a 360 lmao. Also How will Yang oneshot Bakugo if theyre both the same tier? what exactly is Yang's ap?
 
Yang scales high above 5 tons and bakugo is 8 tons (Yang's semblance makes her 4 times stronger though)
 
so 20 tons? I dont see how that one shots Bakugo. Also wouldn’t that make her a tier higher? so shouldn’t it be restricted?
 
Yeah probably unless it's her only win con

Doesn't really matter because her metal arm and aura are both city block level
 
Spinoirr said:
Yeah probably unless it's her only win con
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It kind of is but adding it just because its her only wincon is kind of unfair. Either way Bakugo destroys her if she doesn’t have semblance Id argue bakugo wins even if she has it anyway
 
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