Bakugo vs Azula Rematch (Grace)

[Kingofwolves999]

What makes you say that she's higher than 3.3 tons? She didn't particularly grow stronger from s2 to s3, barely any time passed. The feat she did wasn't super casual or anything. The absolute most you can tangibly give her would be saying she's as strong as Katara under the full moon, which is 3.67 tons.

Partially blocking combustion man isn't exactly fully scaling people to him, people get blown away every time they step up to fight him.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Azula has no durability feats and is therefore at best 2 tons unless proven otherwise and the highest number we can grant her is 3.3 tons however she should be higher so 4 tons should be fine.

 

[FRIMI]

Zuko almost entirely stopped the explosion. It was mitigated to such an extent that it did almost no colateral and merely blew Zuko back. That should nearly scale to combustion man

 

[Kingofwolves999]

That would scale to his fire shield alone though, not his AP. He's no where near as strong as Combustion Man.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

So Azula has much better protection if she can pull up her fire shield, which is very useful. Now she has to be able to perfectly pull it up every single time Bakugo attacks, while also being wary to not get hit with stun grenade, while still dealing with Bakugo's speed amp. Her chances are better, but her win conditions are the exact same, while Bakugo's only got an extra step that he can definitely work around.

 

[FRIMI]

still confused about whats being referenced when you talk about Bakugo's speed amp

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Chapter 251 of the manga

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Worth mentioning Azula scales above season one Zuko who could tanks this with fire shields leaving with scars and bruises and season three Zuko who could block Combustion Ma. So Azula with shields should completely no-sell Bakugo's exsplosions and it isn't difficult to do either just a singular motion. She could also block attacks from Zuko, Toph, Aang and Katara all at once. She can block attacks without even seeing them too.

In the comics but she can do AoE lightning attacks. She also does it with one motio. Improving from the two motions needed in the main series.

She is also extremely skilful as we all know Suki's martial arts are top tier.

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

Bakugo has a thing called compressed explosions that amp his speed like his normal explosions. He should have already had it on his profile like higher or something but it's either forgotten or ignored.

 

[FRIMI]

ok but why is that different from Azula propelling herself forward with her fire? Also, I don't think we can include 1 motion lightning or AoE lightning since this is meant to use season 3 Azula. However she does still scale from Zuko's combustion man feat

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

His compressed explosions make him far faster than normal as shown by him leaving Deku in the dust even though they're comparable in speed.

The first link doesn't show Zuko tanking anythings. Based on what I saw in the comments for Combustion Man's calc they agreed on building level+ but he's somehow large building level+.

Her blocking attacks from Katara, Zuko, Aang and Toph isn't enough to no sell Bakugou since Aang was 9A with air back then, Katara is like 2 tons with water bending (though she literally just threw water at Azula and it wasn't even like a water whip), Zuko is 1.6 tons and Toph is like 2 tons I guess since she doesn't have a calc or justification on her page. So at best Azula is 5.6 tons and that's assuming Katara's water stream is High 8C.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The first link goes to a conversation with Iron and Zuko, but with no sound. The second is the current topic of discussion. The third is noted, and the fourth isn't impressive as Bakugo has done the exact same to both villains and other heroes in training, even while taking direct damage at the same time.





How strong even is Azula's lightning bending? It's not noted on her profile to be like a one shot to people on her level. It should scale to somewhat higher than her AP, which isn't enough to beat Bakugo. He would also just become hyper aggressive so she can't do it again. Did that lightning even hit anyone? Or was aimed at them? That panel just seems like she's posing with it above her head, about to aim at Zuko.

It's different because Bakugo's normal movement is what Azula does with propelling herself. His condensed shots are him doing it even better to amp his speed further, enough to blitz people that can react to his standard propulsion. It's a better application of the same skill via his sweat build up.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Here, the weird looking guy can see and react to Bakugo, Deku and Todoroki as they charge at him, with Bakugo using his propulsion.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Then Bakugo speed amps and saves the hostage without the villain being able to react at all.

 

[NecroVoi]

Bakugo fra

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I'll fix the links but Azula's lightning bending is enough to significant harm others she can't with her bending. It one-shotted Zuko in their fight and it's treated like an "instant death" kind of attack because if it lands you're out of commission which is why Iroh taught Zuko how to redirect it.

In the AoE one you can see the various lightning bolts spread out from a large energy looking blast. I'll have to look at the context again though since my memory is fuzzy.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Hasn't she one shot everyone that didn't block her attacks? I distinctly remember she one shot Iroh like it was nothing, isn't that an issue with their durability more than anything?

 

[CaptainSparkz]

so you are saying Azula is durability is way lower than her AP

 

[CaptainSparkz]

oh boy.….

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Most likely since as I've said she has no durability feats on her profile and the only character to take direct hits usually is Zuko and those were like building level+ attacks.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

She did one-shot Iroh and S3 Zuko who did block but still got one-shot. Her lightning exceeds her normal AP so no, not really.

 

[CaptainSparkz]

so Azula has building level durability?!

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Most likely since as I've said she has no durability feats on her profile and the only character to take direct hits usually is Zuko and those were like building level+ attacks.

No Azula has a calc from S2 which is 3.35 tons. Which Zuko can tank.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I mean unless someone has a feat of her tanking a High 8C attack to the face I guess so.

 

[CaptainSparkz]

No Azula has a calc from S2 which is 3.35 tons. Which Zuko can tank.

ok

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Most likely since as I've said she has no durability feats on her profile and the only character to take direct hits usually is Zuko and those were like building level+ attacks.

No Azula has a calc from S2 which is 3.35 tons. Which Zuko can tank.

You mean her vaporising water? If so when did he tank that?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

But she one shot Iroh with a single blast of fire, whilehe was on guard. I think Avatar characters just have lower durability than their AP. Has anyone taken direct, straight to the face High 8-C attacks and been fine?

 

[CaptainSparkz]

since azula has building level durability, this fight is even more one sided

 

[CaptainSparkz]

unless someone shows a scan of azula tanking large building level attacks

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Every time they fight he blocks and slaps away her attacks and vise versa.

Though no one in the series tanks a fire attack because they always block them though people have been overpowered iirc. Also I'm pretty sure Azula burns Iroh whilst he was off-guard.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Using their bending to deflect eachother's attacks or physically slapping their hands away?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

They physically do it but idk the mechanics cause it's never explained.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

She's building level+ physically then especially since some characters get KO'd or injured notably even when they put up shields.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

No, Iroh and the whole Gaang we're looking dead at Azula, in the position to hit her, completely ready to blast her. She points at Iroh and one shots him with a single fire blast, then protects herself from everyone's counter attack.

 

[CaptainSparkz]

name one character in the show who tanked an large building level attack that scale to azula

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I don't know about them being KO'ed all the time. All I know is Aang sometimes gets overpowered a lot since he probably has the worst durability in the series.

I need to see that scene.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

They physically do it but idk the mechanics cause it's never explained.

That looks bending related cause they aren't fire proof. Plus Katara does something similar when she fights Hama and I highly doubt Katara is High 8C physically.

 

[CaptainSparkz]

That looks bending related cause they aren't fire proof. Plus Katara does something similar when she fights Hama and I highly doubt Katara is High 8C physically.

how does equate to durability though

 

[Kingofwolves999]

It's from "The Chase", when Azula is hunting the Gaang to sleep deprivation. You actually posted a scene from it.

Also, for all those examples, Zuko isn't physically tanking those fire blasts, he is very clearly bending/redirecting them to nullify their damage. That's why he does those movements and the fire just goes away on contact, it's his bending not sheer durability.

 

[CaptainSparkz]

unless someone can prove azula has large building level durability, Bakugou wins this match hands down