Bad Idea #215: Diavolo vs. Composite Human

[Jackythejack]

Bad idea? Baaaad idea.

Oh well let's try it! Composite Human has a year worth of prep time, but I this time he cannot tamper with the environment or the battlefield to make it explode. Also he doesn't get access to a nuke or something crazy. The fight takes place on Ogre Street, with the two being about seventy paces away from each other. Speed is equalized down to CH's Speed. Also CH has prior knowledge duh.

Composite Human

It just works

 

[Paul_Frank]

So 70 paces is about 175 feet so Diavolo would have to spam time erase to get to ch and donut

This is rather easy though since even though ch has prep and prior knowledge he wasn't able to rig the battlefield to his advantage. Using things like nerve gas and the like, which are the only things that can really be argued to help against Diavolo, would be dangerous at this close of a range and likely backfire against ch

So I guess Diavolo just spams time erase until he is in position and donuts

 

[SecretSynergy]

You might be able to make an argument for either side winning tbh.


If CH has 1 year of prep, you could say he brings a ton of weapons or whatever, and continually assault KC from afar, since it's range is 1-2 meters. Even SP couldn't stop all of DIO's knives (granted they were like right next to him when he had to react, so maybe this is a false equivalence?). Seems a bit iffy though, unless he brought a bunch of explosives too. It all depends what "something crazy" means.

You could also that even with a bunch of ballistic weapons, Diavolo (via Eulogy) would be able to see what is coming next, and erase that time frame. Like Paul said, he kinda has to spam it until he's within range. If KC is not able to get within range he can't win.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Whats stopping CH from throwing a poison grenade on the ground? CH resists poison and nerve gas btw

 

[Paul_Frank]

Where does him resisting nerve gas come from

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Resistance to poison and chemicals? Even if he cant resist nerve gas, he can still throw poison

 

[Jackythejack]

Resisting nerve gas sounds very much like not a thing.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Resisting poison and chemicals is definently not resisting it on the levels of nerve gas

If he throws poison at his feet, assuming he resists it Diavolo can just time skip into a nearby building and wait for him to move or for the gas to be gone and then donut from stealth

 

[TriforcePower1]

I think resistances come from gas masks.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Resistance to Poison Manipulation (Mithradatism is the process of building an immunity to certain venoms and poisons through small, non-lethal doses. This can build a resistance to most animal venoms, plant poisons, and arsenic), Disease Manipulation (Would have every anti-body produced for every human disease)

Its not just from gas masks

 

[Paul_Frank]

You don't have to inhale nerve gas for it to affect you anyway so a gas mask definitely doesn't help

Mithradatism doesn't work for nerve gas btw

 

[SecretSynergy]

Resistance to Poison Manipulation (Mithradatism is the process of building an immunity to certain venoms and poisons through small, non-lethal doses. This can build a resistance to most animal venoms, plant poisons, and arsenic), Disease Manipulation (Would have every anti-body produced for every human disease)
Its not just from gas masks

I mean couldn't KC just erase this from happening? Or skip time to a point where he exceeds the gas' range?

Unless I misunderstand how KC works... (It just works.)

 

[Moritzva]

So, uh

the SBA are pretty weird, at the moment.

So he can't set the environment to explode, but can he just carpet bomb the area for 11 seconds straight?

Really seems like CH just releases over 10 seconds of poisons or explosions. CH can back up if he needs more range.

 

[Paul_Frank]

He isnt allowed to tamper with the battlefield which means he can't have traps set up before the match starts

He also only starts 175 feet from Diavolo

Ogre street has alot of buildings where Diavolo can slip into and wait for a sneak attack as well

 

[SecretSynergy]

Can't he just snipe Diavolo from that range?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Diavolo would predict the incoming shot and would erase that

 

[Moritzva]

175 feet is pretty sizable.

Not being able to tamper with the battlefield at all is weird, since it's kinda hard to prep that way? Though he can probably devise some gas canister machine gun, as that's not the most absurd thing he could make in an entire year.

All he has to do is cover the area with an effect that'll last more than 10 seconds.

 

[Moritzva]

Yea, it really seems like CH just prepares an excessively large mass of poisons and covers everything in such a way that there's no real way for Diavolo to get out of it in 10 seconds.

All while running backwards, and due to Diavolo having equal speed, Diavolo isn't going to be catching up to him very easily as long as CH is smart and doesn't... stop.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Assuming he creates a gas canister machine gun somehow Diavolo time skip spams into a building and waits for either CH to die to his own gas, leave the area to look for him or for the gas to dissipate then he sneaks up while time skip spamming and donutes

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

CH resists poison tho

 

[Jackythejack]

I just didn't want it to be "oh he blows up ogre street and wins."

shiuld I decrease the range a little?

 

[Paul_Frank]

CH resists poison tho

Resists isn't immunity

You cant develop a resistance to every poison and most powerful poison gasses are the kinds you cant develop a resistance to afaik

 

[Moritzva]

Assuming he creates a gas canister machine gun somehow Diavolo time skip spams into a building and waits for either CH to die to his own gas, leave the area to look for him or for the gas to dissipate then he sneaks up while time skip spamming and donutes

Remember, Diavolo can only time skip for 10 seconds. Even if he attempts to time skip again right afterwards, there will be a brief period where he's exposed to poisons, which will undoubtably inhibit his ability to hide and fight, if he survives at all. Diavolo has never shown to loophole around his 10 second limit like you're implying, and it's unlikely he's capable of it.

And it's really hard to sneak up on someone while you're poisoned by literally everything CH decided to put in a can.

 

[Moritzva]

CH resists poison tho

Resists isn't immunity
You cant develop a resistance to every poison and most powerful poison gasses are the kinds you cant develop a resistance to afaik

CH could, y'know, wear a gas mask and hazmat suit. He can't prepare the environment, but he can prepare himself.

 

[Paul_Frank]

@pixel

He can skip 10 seconds at most yes but he can just skip immediately after

Unless you are saying ch's poison gas covers the entirety of ogre street Diavolo can get out of its area of effect and hide

Also neither gas masks nor hazmat suits are perfect and can't protect you forever

 

[SecretSynergy]

Can't Diavolo just erase the act of him ever launching the poison in the first place? Or is that not how that works.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Thats not how it works

 

[Paul_Frank]

Can't Diavolo just erase the act of him ever launching the poison in the first place? Or is that not how that works.

That's Giorno Giovanna

 

[SecretSynergy]

Can't Diavolo just erase the act of him ever launching the poison in the first place? Or is that not how that works.

That's Giorno Giovanna

Who, of course, Diavolo completely is inferior to. So it's looking like CH wins w/poison? Seems like very low diff, tbh.

 

[Moritzva]

@pixel
He can skip 10 seconds at most yes but he can just skip immediately after

Unless you are saying ch's poison gas covers the entirety of ogre street Diavolo can get out of its area of effect and hide

Also neither gas masks nor hazmat suits are perfect and can't protect you forever

They're a helluva lot more perfect than, say, not wearing them.

And I imagine that CH, with a year of prep, could prepare some manner of weaponry to carpet bomb the area, even if he has to build a plane that covers the entire area just at that time.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Ch would have to build a plane that can cover the whole area then run away from Diavolo to retrieve the plane because the plane certainly isn't fitting on ogre street

 

[Moritzva]

Ch would have to build a plane that can cover the whole area then run away from Diavolo to retrieve the plane because the plane certainly isn't fitting on ogre street

I really don't think 'covering the whole street' is a super difficult task when you have an entire year to do it. Hell, I could probably put together a way to cover a fair amount of it (if given the actual chemical weapons ahead of time), and I'm not that smart at all.

 

[Paul_Frank]

The thing is that he can't have anything set up on the battlefield beforehand

He has to set this up during the match

 

[Moritzva]

The thing is that he can't have anything set up on the battlefield beforehand
He has to set this up during the match

SBA is pretty weird, but it says he can't, say, stick a bunch of bombs under him. It doesn't mean he can't prepare many objects that move things onto the battlefield, such as some poison launcher.

'Tis pretty weird.

 

[SecretSynergy]

If he tried to do that, Diavolo comes up and slaps him, GG.

So let's not do that, hm? Maybe he could try something else.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I'm pretty sure setting up a bunch of things that automatically move stuff on the battlefield just to bypass the rule about not tampering with the battlefield would still count as tampering with the battlefield either way

 

[Moritzva]

I'm pretty sure setting up a bunch of things that automatically move stuff on the battlefield just to bypass the rule about not tampering with the battlefield would still count as tampering with the battlefield either way

Well we should ask Jacky to specify.

Since it would be pretty ******' stupid to have a year of prep time, but to not be able to use any of it.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Diavolo has 20 seconds to escape gas, as he can start running 10 seconds thanks to Epitaph showing the gas 10 seconds before and other 10 thanks to time skip.

Also, if Diavolo cannot reach CH because gas, cannot he just throw a rock or something with 8-C AP?

 

[SecretSynergy]

Diavolo has 20 seconds to escape gas, as he can start running 10 seconds thanks to Epitaph showing the gas 10 seconds before and other 10 thanks to time skip.
Also, if Diavolo cannot reach CH because gas, cannot he just throw a rock or something with 8-C AP?

But CH is likely 7-B, or 7-A with prep. He could just tank it.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Nah, he is still a human. Only his equipments are 7-B I believe