Austin Theory (WWE) vs Tsukasa Shishio (Dr. Stone): RandomGuy vs Arnoldstone

[Arnoldstone18]

Isn't Tsukasa's LS Class 25? If so, then Theory can somewhat circumvent it, as he has fought people with Class 25 LS before (Bobby Lashley). The LS gap obviously won't be negated because of this, but Theory has the experience of dealing with the LS disadvantage, so I'm confident he can find a way around this.

The LS advantage helps with getting off pressure points strikes (the KO killing move) or clinching or disarming/stopping weapons in their tracks.

Usually when Theory faces those with a higher LS, they typically power slam him or something (point is that they let go of him shortly after)… Even if someone puts him in a submission hold, all theory has to do is touch the rope to force a break off right?

So despite his experience with Bobby Lashly he still had ways that he wouldn’t have against Tsukasa since this isn’t a match with rules to exploit (like the rope thing).

Tsukasa doesn’t perform power slams nor does he have rules that Theory can exploit. So Theory is going to have a pretty tough time dealing with clinches and stuff

When has Tsukasa ever used his intelligence during combat to outsmart his opponents?

Since he has never been pushed hard in a one on one fight, he never really looks to outsmart enemies in combat. He is just capable of taking them on. Tsukasa uses his intellect to decipher bullshit and stop it from happening, he can analyze his opponents fighting capabilities, and he can cook up strategies to outsmart his enemies before combat.

If push comes to shove maybe he can use his environment to his advantage to outsmart him.

I have a question:

You know how WWE has weapons like ladders, chairs, kendo sticks, etc.?

Do you think I'm able to give Theory one of these weapons? Or should I change the location to a WWE ring so Theory can find some weapons under the ring? I think the latter is cool to do.

Wanna put a ring in a jungle? So both characters have advantage. If not we can just give Theory some of the weapons.

And duh I know WWE has weapons, I used to be a crazy fan of WWE and Impact wrestling.

edit: grammar*

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This isn't relevant, as Tsukasa would know he's facing Theory. I can see if Theory was hiding somewhere instead of going face-to-face with Tsukasa, but that doesn't apply here.

Not only does Theory fight more aggressively, and fights smarter, he also seems to be a lot more calculated and focused than before.

Before his character change, Theory used to be a naive kid who used to suck up to Vince in order to get what he wanted. Now that he's hit rock bottom, he's now here to prove himself that he's a man now, and he doesn't need anyone in order to win matches. He's basically a man on a mission.

Thanks to this, Theory is a lot more focused, which will make it a little bit harder to trick him, unlike before

Oh I only brought that up as some of the abilities Tsukasa should have. I was just replying the other dude.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

bump

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I didn't respond to this shit yesterday because my body was aching so ******* bad lol.

I could barely walk. The detriment for not working out in weeks.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

The LS advantage helps with getting off pressure points strikes (the KO killing move)

How so? Does Tsukasa just try and grab his opponents and then use his PP strike? Or does he just flat out try to strike them?

or clinching or disarming/stopping weapons in their tracks.

That's fair.

Usually when Theory faces those with a higher LS, they typically power slam him or something (point is that they let go of him shortly after)… Even if someone puts him in a submission hold, all theory has to do is touch the rope to force a break off right?

In WWE rules, touching the rope means you have to break the hold, but despite that, Theory still has experience in dealing with those LS disadvantages, so he can somewhat circumvent it.

So despite his experience with Bobby Lashly he still had ways that he wouldn’t have against Tsukasa since this isn’t a match with rules to exploit (like the rope thing).

Theory has dealt with holds throughout his 6 year tenure as a wrestler. He knows a thing or two about breaking out of holds from people with superior LS.

Tsukasa doesn’t perform power slams nor does he have rules that Theory can exploit. So Theory is going to have a pretty tough time dealing with clinches and stuff

Read what I said above.

Since he has never been pushed hard in a one on one fight, he never really looks to outsmart enemies in combat. He is just capable of taking them on. Tsukasa uses his intellect to decipher bullshit and stop it from happening, he can analyze his opponents fighting capabilities, and he can cook up strategies to outsmart his enemies before combat.

If push comes to shove maybe he can use his environment to his advantage to outsmart him.

Ahh okay. Most wrestlers (including Theory) do this in most of their matchups, so I guess they're even in that regard.

Wanna put a ring in a jungle? So both characters have advantage. If not we can just give Theory some of the weapons.

A ring in a jungle is kinda ridiculous lol. Let's just give Theory some WWE weapons.

What should we give him?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

How so? Does Tsukasa just try and grab his opponents and then use his PP strike? Or does he just flat out try to strike them?

just flat out strikes, especially with a weapon.

In WWE rules, touching the rope means you have to break the hold, but despite that, Theory still has experience in dealing with those LS disadvantages, so he can somewhat circumvent it.

I forgot what those types of matches are called, but has he fought those with an LS advantage outside of the rules?

If not then his experience is only going to help him a bit.

Theory has dealt with holds throughout his 6 year tenure as a wrestler. He knows a thing or two about breaking out of holds from people with superior LS.

But are there any examples of such because it should be impossible to break out of holds from someone with Class 25. I believe its only Bobby Lashly he has faced iirc. Are there any other wrestlers? Are there any examples of him breaking out of a hold of a wrestler with a couple of times LS advantage?

What should we give him?

Kendo sticks, chairs, just weapons he has used before I guess. However i don't see how they'd help against someone who abuses his LS advantage to disarm or grab weapons or someone with sharp weapons like a double buster sword.

Oh yeah Tsu has piercing damage too i guess.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

just flat out strikes, especially with a weapon.

This is obviously something Theory needs to look out for, but this is certainly something he can avoid without too much difficulty.

I forgot what those types of matches are called, but has he fought those with an LS advantage outside of the rules?

You mean like a NO DQ match? I need to look and see.

I think the answer is no, but that still doesn't really negate the fact that Theory can circumvent the LS disadvantage a bit. Quite literally all wrestlers need to know the basics of escaping holds, and even then, Theory has fought on par with, and (if memory serves me right) even defeats submission specialists.

But are there any examples of such because it should be impossible to break out of holds from someone with Class 25

Technically yes, but WWE wrestlers have more than enough experience in dealing with wrestling holds to the point where they can find ways to break out of holds. Some use their raw strength, others use their elusiveness, quick thinking, and strikes to break free, and some just break out via sheer will (though the latter is a rare occurrence).

Theory is more than capable of doing this.

I believe its only Bobby Lashly he has faced iirc. Are there any other wrestlers? Are there any examples of him breaking out of a hold of a wrestler with a couple of times LS advantage?

Theory has also faced people like Keith Lee and JD Drake back in Evolve and won (I wish I can show you clips, but I can't access Evolve due to not having Peacock), and those wrestlers are known for their LS (as well as being freakishly athletic, but that's not relevant here).

I will say that WWE wrestlers are able to wear down opponents with higher LS with holds, so since Theory can do it to Lashley, what's to say he can't do it to Tsukasa (btw, this doesn't mean that Theory should have Class 25 LS. He's just skilled/experienced enough in wrestling that he's able to wear down opponents with higher LS than him).

Kendo sticks, chairs, just weapons he has used before I guess. However i don't see how they'd help against someone who abuses his LS advantage to disarm or grab weapons or someone with sharp weapons like a double buster sword.

Considering that Theory is a lot more aggressive and vicious than before, I'm sure Theory can find a way to hit Tsukasa. A well placed kendo stick shot to the leg will bring Tsukasa down.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Theory will get a pair of kendo sticks and steel chairs to assist him here.

Updated the OP.

Theory will now have weapons to even out the playing field a bit.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I actually forgot professional wrestlers could get out of holds and grapples like that. And seeing the examples you’ve brought forth, I guess it’s safe to say that grapples and clinches won’t work here.

So the only use of LS is to deal with weapons.

Considering that Theory is a lot more aggressive and vicious than before, I'm sure Theory can find a way to hit Tsukasa. A well placed kendo stick shot to the leg will bring Tsukasa down.

Tsukasa should be able to easily destroy WWE weapons with his large sword. Or he can just grab the kendo mid swing and break it. But I guess you’re already aware of that.

Additionally, Tsukasa skill does not only apply to hand to hand combat. It also applies to weapons (although he’s best hand to hand). He can outskill armed foes with skill chains against other foes with spears, swords and weapons. For instance, Despite Hyoga being the 2nd skilled in the verse with weapons, Hyoga still saw himself as inferior to Tsukasa.

So how good is Theory compared to Tsukasa weapons-wise… Although I feel like the weapons Tsukasa has are outright better (more range, piercing damage).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Tsukasa should be able to easily destroy WWE weapons with his large sword. Or he can just grab the kendo mid swing and break it. But I guess you’re already aware of that.

Yeah. All Tsukasa needs is to grab the kendo stick from Theory and break it. Theory will just need to aim it at Tsukasa's legs instead of the body. Though I will say that Theory's new found aggression will make it a bit harder for Tsukasa to grab the kendo stick in time. Steel chairs will be harder to manage for Tsukasa, too.

He can outskill armed foes with skill chains against other foes with spears, swords and weapons. For instance, Despite Hyoga being the 2nd skilled in the verse with weapons, Hyoga still saw himself as inferior to Tsukasa.

Theory can definitely disarm Tsukasa. Here's an example.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yeah. All Tsukasa needs is to grab the kendo stick from Theory and break it. Theory will just need to aim it at Tsukasa's legs instead of the body. Though I will say that Theory's new found aggression will make it a bit harder for Tsukasa to grab the kendo stick in time. Steel chairs will be harder to manage for Tsukasa, too

Tsukasa’s only option isn’t to grab, he can also parry them away with his higher LS. Heck the kendo stick can be destroyed with strikes and the steel chair has too short of a range and I doubt it’s useful against Tsukasa’s large weapons.

Couple all the above with Tsukasa’s acrobatics, weapon skill and experience. I don’t see Theory beating him with the weapons he has.

Theory can definitely disarm Tsukasa. Here's an example.

Tsukasa is far too intelligent in battle for stuff like this to work. His reflexes should help him here too.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Heck the kendo stick can be destroyed with strikes and the steel chair has too short of a range and I doubt it’s useful against Tsukasa’s large weapons.

Fair on the kendo sticks, but I think Theory can use the chairs to block the sword attacks. Theory is 100% able to utilize the chairs better than the kendo sticks. At least they don't break as easily. And like I said, a well-placed shot to the leg and Tsukasa is going down.

Couple all the above with Tsukasa’s acrobatics, weapon skill and experience. I don’t see Theory beating him with the weapons he has.

It's honestly not so much of the weapons finishing off Tsukasa, but more so of the weapons buying Theory some time so he can make this fight go to H2H.

Tsukasa is far too intelligent in battle for stuff like this to work. His reflexes should help him here too.

Wdym too intelligent? It's more so skill. Tsukasa is skilled enough to dodge, but the thing is that the skill gap is so minuscule. Tuskasa isn't going UI on all of Theory's attacks. A well-placed shot, and Tsukasa is dropping that sword, which leaves Theory a good opening. How strong is the sword, too? I'm pretty sure Theory can break the sword as well.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Tsukasa’s Advantage

• Piercing damage.
• Pressure Point (Can kill a human by striking the cervical plexus)
• AP Advantage (1.6x)
• LS Advantage (44.7x, only advantageous for disarming and parrying strikes)
• Range
• Intelligence (combat awareness, human physiology knowledge, quickly analyzing situations, scientific knowledge)

Theory’s Advantage

• Accelerated Development (Incase Tsukasa is more skilled H2H)
• Some well placed strikes to disarm Tsukasa.

So far I think this is how things are going. Though there might still be some things to discuss like who has better Weapon Mastery, Acrobatics and so on.

Feel free to make corrections.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Though there might still be some things to discuss like who has better Weapon Mastery, Acrobatics and so on.

Tsukasa can practically fly due to his Acrobatics, don't think Austin can compare

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Wdym too intelligent? It's more so skill. Tsukasa is skilled enough to dodge, but the thing is that the skill gap is so minuscule. Tuskasa isn't going UI on all of Theory's attacks. A well-placed shot, and Tsukasa is dropping that sword, which leaves Theory a good opening. How strong is the sword, too? I'm pretty sure Theory can break the sword as well.

Oh the sword is made of metal. Senku made it for him.

Tsukasa’s reflexes may not be UI level, but it’s still a factor.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

AP Advantage (1.6x)

Theory can negate this via his finishers, which he has 3 of.

Range

Kinda? Isn't his sword only Extended Melee range? Should've gave Theory a ladder instead.

• Intelligence (combat awareness, human physiology knowledge, quickly analyzing situations, scientific knowledge)

You're gonna have to specify the combat awareness, as well as quick analyzing situations. Human physiology knowledge works, though scientific knowledge is irelevant.

• Accelerated Development (Incase Tsukasa is more skilled H2H)
• Some well placed strikes to disarm Tsukasa.

• Ataxia, ATL, and A-Town Down will likely end the fight when hit.
• His aggression/viciousness can potentially overwhelm Tsukasa.
• Is able to somewhat circumvent the LS disadvantage thanks to his years of experience being a wrestler.
• His weapons can by him some time against Tsukasa's weaponry.

Oh the sword is made of metal. Senku made it for him.

I think Theory can break the sword via sheer AP.

Tsukasa’s reflexes may not be UI level, but it’s still a factor.

Theory has fought people that have a "Sixth Sense" that allows them to fight while blindfolded, and he's far superior to people with Analytical Prediction. I don't think reflexes will play that much of a factor.

 

[Pikaman]

Honestly not too sure who's the more skilled individual here than

Nah I’d say Tsukasa takes it having read both essays. Theory’s not behind by like, a ridiculous factor, and his AD should make it up in a few minutes anyways, but I’d say Tsukasa takes it.

he is also academically on top of most characters in the series.

Yeah, while academic intelligence is not often a factor, it should be brought up that Tsukasa is a genius, and Theory is a plain dumbass outside of combat if we being fr

Isn't Tsukasa's LS Class 25? If so, then Theory can somewhat circumvent it, as he has fought people with Class 25 LS before (Bobby Lashley). The LS gap obviously won't be negated because of this, but Theory has the experience of dealing with the LS disadvantage, so I'm confident he can find a way around this.

The LS issue is just an “everyone fights everyone” issue, Theory is at a major LS disadvantage, and there’s nothing more to it. In addition, LS will hold much more relevance for this match than most wrestling matches, considering Theory will need to rely heavily on g taking Tsukasa’s weapons out of the equation.

I will also say that since he changed his character a bit, not only has Theory become more aggressive and vicious, he's also much more willing to fight dirty, as well as target any weak spots he sees.

It’s WAYYYY too early into Theory’s character-shift to make assumptions like that. He has a new-found aggression, but there’s nothing much to say it would be a major factor in how he fights yet.

Even if someone puts him in a submission hold, all theory has to do is touch the rope to force a break off right?

It’s a bit of an oversimplification to say this, since submission holds in a sport where grabbing the rope nulls them are obviously designed to not give the opponent the opportunity to get to the ropes.

Theory can definitely disarm Tsukasa. Here's an example.

- That guy definitely is nowhere near as skilled or as experienced as Tsukasa with a weapon

- I wonder how many times Theory got hit by a weapon in that video, I’d wager it was more times than he dodged

 

[RandomGuy2345]

The LS issue is just an “everyone fights everyone” issue, Theory is at a major LS disadvantage, and there’s nothing more to it. In addition, LS will hold much more relevance for this match than most wrestling matches, considering Theory will need to rely heavily on g taking Tsukasa’s weapons out of the equation.

The "everyone fights everyone" thing doesn't really apply here. I've already mentioned that Theory has experience in dealing with LS disadvantages, and he has ways of somewhat circumventing. I'm 100% confident that Theory can find a way to break out of a hold, as most wrestlers in his verse can.

It’s WAYYYY too early into Theory’s character-shift to make assumptions like that. He has a new-found aggression, but there’s nothing much to say it would be a major factor in how he fights yet.

It's seriously not. Watch his match against Mustafa Ali. He constantly targets Ali's injured ribs (weak spot), and he's basically relentless throughout the fight. He's quite literally willing to bury people under foreign objects. Plus, when I'm talking about fighting dirty, I'm talking low blows, poking the eyes, etc., which is something Theory would 100% do.

- That guy definitely is nowhere near as skilled or as experienced as Tsukasa with a weapon

That's a fair point.

- I wonder how many times Theory got hit by a weapon in that video, I’d wager it was more times than he dodged

I have no idea, and I'm not willing to go through a 20-minute match to figure it out lol.

 

[Pikaman]

Ok, so to very simply summarise this match

Tsukasa:

+ More Skilled with Weapons and Possibly in CQC
Pressure Points and Intelligence on Body
AP Advantage
LS Advantage
Piercing Damage
Acrobatics

= Both Possess Ranged Options

- Cannot Counter Finishers
Less Variety of Weapons

Theory:
+ Finishers Can End Fight Quickly
Versatility of Devastating Options (Weapons, Finishers, etc.)
Accelerated Development Counters Lesser Skill
Can Disarm Sword with Well-Placed Strike
Experienced in Circumventing LS Disadvantages

= Both Possess Ranged Options

- No Counter to Piercing Damage
Far less Experience and Skill with Weapons
Cannot Utilise Social Influencing to Full Potential



I lean Tsukasa, but I’ll give Random a chance before voting (as well as the fact I can probably give a more proper conclusion on my feelings if I sleep on the match)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

In terms of best winning conditions for each side, I'd argue that Tsukasa's Pressure Point strikes and Theory's Finishers are their heavy hitters.

Most of the other win conditions get countered imo.

Tsukasa has an AP advantage: The gap isn't big, and Theory can nullify that via his finishers.

Tsukasa has a Skill advantage: Theory's AD makes sure that the skill gap will be equal in a relatively short time.

Tsukasa has a LS advantage: Theory's experience in LS disadvantages can circumvent this to an extent.

Tsukasa's best way of winning is Piercing Damage and Pressure Points.

Theory has his weapons: Tsukasa's sword makes kendo sticks useless, and his LS means he can easily disarm Theory if given the chance.

Theory has Social Influencing: Tsukasa's determination to finish a task basically says no to this.

Pika you're gonna hate me for saying this again, but Incon isn't too far off the picture.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I want to see some scans of how acrobatic Tsukasa is, @Arnoldstone18.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Thanksgiving Dinner was so good... im so full.

Wtf happened here??

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Thanksgiving Dinner was so good... im so full.

Wtf happened here??

Pika basically made his full analysis here.

Can you show me some scans of how acrobatic Tsukasa is, though?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Can you show me some scans of how acrobatic Tsukasa is, though?

Sure but I need a luttle break cuz im so full and can't think straight.

Finishers can't be broken out of tho? Why?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Finishers can't be broken out of tho? Why?

Wdym?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Wdym?

I glanced at what Pika typed and just stumbled on "Tsukasa can't break out of finishers"

Maybe I read it wrong, i need a nap

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I glanced at what Pika typed and just stumbled on "Tsukasa can't break out of finishers"

Theory will just have to do enough damage to Tsukasa so he can't break out of the finisher.

Though with the ATL, with how quick it's performed, Tsukasa will have the hardest time breaking out of this finisher.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

About Tsukasa's acrobatics

He is able to do stuff like this with a hole straight through his chest from this stab

Then there are stuff like this, and this. I'm sure there are more if I look but can Theory compete with these?

He basically can jump really high, do flips on trees, and maneuver his body in ways that let him deal with multiple targets at once etc.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Theory will just have to do enough damage to Tsukasa so he can't break out of the finisher.

Though with the ATL, with how quick it's performed, Tsukasa will have the hardest time breaking out of this finisher.

Can't he just break out easily via LS?

And its going to be pretty hard to pick him up so easily.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

About Tsukasa's acrobatics

He is able to do stuff like this with a hole straight through his chest from this stab

Then there are stuff like this, and this. I'm sure there are more if I look but can Theory compete with these?

He basically can jump really high, do flips on trees, and maneuver his body in ways that let him deal with multiple targets at once.

Yeah. Theory isn't as acrobatic as Tsukasa.

Theory can turn in mid-air, and he can do this, but that's about it.

Can't he just break out easily via LS?

And its going to be pretty hard to pick him up so easily.

Theory can lift Tsukasa's body weight without much issue, and Theory has performed his finishers on people with higher LS than him.

 

[Pikaman]

I glanced at what Pika typed and just stumbled on "Tsukasa can't break out of finishers"

I said “Tsukasa can’t counter finishers” as in he has no way to deal with an attack of much higher AP. Obviously he can still dodge or break out of the move itself, but it could be tricky

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Both Possess Ranged Options

You sure? The spear and sword have more reach than Kendo sticks and folded steel chair. Especially when Tsukasa can literally throw his spear. The advantage should go to Tsukasa, they're not equal in that regard. Or what did you mean?

Also add Acrobatics to the list.

 

[Pikaman]

You sure? The spear and sword have more reach than Kendo sticks and folded steel chair. Especially when Tsukasa can literally throw his spear. The advantage should go to Tsukasa, they're not equal in that regard. Or what did you mean?

I meant more that both have ranged weapons, than trying to make the distinction between their separate ranges

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Theory can lift Tsukasa's body weight without much issue, and Theory has performed his finishers on people with higher LS than him.

I didn't mean body weight, I meant that Tsukasa would just break off easily. I mean, he has endurance to keep fighting after suffering a fatal stab wound to his chest. So are you sure Theory would tire him out enough to use a finisher?

Also even if someone has a higher LS, the person can still struggle a little bit to break out of a finisher. In this case Tsukasa’s LS is massive… So he can easily break out of the finisher, and I doubt Theory can tire Tsukasa out for that not tomatter.

I said “Tsukasa can’t counter finishers” as in he has no way to deal with an attack of much higher AP. Obviously he can still dodge or break out of the move itself, but it could be tricky

The finishers involve a hold and a pick up right? Tsukasa should easily be able to break out of that with his far superior LS (44x) like you’ve said. And dodging is easy especially with Acrobatics involved.

I don’t think it’s tricky at all… but even if he performs the finisher, Tsukasa can take punishment on top of the fact that he has durability advantage. Not even a fatal stab wound through his chest could put him down completely.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I didn't mean body weight,

I know that. I was just saying that Theory can lift Tsukasa's body weight with no issue.

I meant that Tsukasa would just break off easily

Theory has hit his finishers on people with Class 25 LS, so you're point doesn't really hold weight. If Theory couldn't lift Tsukasa, then I could see your point.

I mean, he has endurance to keep fighting after suffering a fatal stab wound to his chest. So are you sure Theory would tire him out enough to use a finisher?

The exact reason why Pain Tolerance and Stamina are two different things. BecausThis is more so how much pain Tsukasa can take in a fight, which in that case, one finisher isn't going to cut it, as powerful as they are.

To give a perspective on how powerful finishers are: A weakened James Ellsworth almost beat AJ Styles with his finisher.

AJ Styles is without a doubt a God Tier, as he has beaten the likes of John Cena, Chris Jericho, and more clean in the ring. He also held the WWE Title for a year at one point.

Meanwhile Ellsworth is widely regarded as one of the weakest/unskilled wrestlers to ever step foot in a ring.

Also even if someone has a higher LS, the person can still struggle a little bit to break out of a finisher. In this case Tsukasa’s LS is massive… So he can easily break out of the finisher, and I doubt Theory can tire Tsukasa out for that not tomatter.

As I said before, Theory has hit his finishers on people with higher LS than him. Here are some examples. I've already stated my issues with Pain Tolerance and Stamina being different, but that's a conversation for another day. Even then, I'm confident Theory can hit his ATL finisher (I already showed you how fast the move is performed) even if Tsukasa isn't completely worn out.

The finishers involve a hold and a pick up right?

For his ATL finisher, Theory lifts up his opponent in a fireman's carry position and slams his opponent on the ground. It's similar to a TKO. It's not that complicated at all.

Tsukasa should easily be able to break out of that with his far superior LS (44x) like you’ve said. And dodging is easy especially with Acrobatics involved.

The thing is that Theory has hit his finishers on people with superior LS. It's not as big of a factor as you think. Lots of wrestlers have lifted their opponents, despite having the clear LS disadvantage. It's not about having superior LS, it's about having the LS to lift your opponent.

I don’t think it’s tricky at all… but even if he performs the finisher, Tsukasa can take punishment on top of the fact that he has durability advantage. Not even a fatal stab wound through his chest could put him down completely.

The bottom of the barrel of the WWE almost defeated one of the best in the verse with their finisher alone. But yes, one finisher won't be enough to take Tsukasa down.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Theory has hit his finishers on people with Class 25 LS, so you're point doesn't really hold weight. If Theory couldn't lift Tsukasa, then I could see your point.

This is superficial thinking… Or are you assuming I said he can’t hit finishers on those with superior LS?

I said Tsukasa can break out of finishers or just not let it happen in the first place. Why say he hit finishers on class 25s therefore he will on Tsukasa? The only way I see him hitting it on Tsukasa is if he catches him off guard (not possible) or too fatigued to break out (you’ve seen Tsukasa’s endurance with one lung speared through)

And even if Theory lands it with how fast he lands them, we both know one isn’t enough.

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I know pain tolerance is different from stamina. However you still need to be actually capable of continuing a fight after various punishments and Tsukasa can still keep going and performing feats even after stabbed through the ******* lung. Y’know.. the organ needed for stamina to be a thing for humans.

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Since we know it’s difficult for him to land finishers and the fact that he needs multiple finishers to win… can we move on to another argument?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Less Variety of Weapons

Tsukasa has spear, swords and tools to make other thing.

He doesn’t have less variety than Theory

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It seems like Austin's only real advantage are his Finishers lel (Also 5000 post. Woo)

 

[DemonicDude]

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[Arnoldstone18]

(Also 5000 post. Woo)

Cant believe I’m already almost 5000 posts when I just got my account accept last January.