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Attempting To Scale Han Jue To H1-A

Han Jue is the protagonist from the web novel Top Tier Providence Secretly Cultivate For A Thousand Years by Let me laugh.

First off are Dao Worlds. They are the creations of Dao Creators and are made up of the 3,000 Great Dao. I believe them to be Type 1 concepts.

1. Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.

The Great Dao are interwoven into the Dao Worlds. They exist on another level of reality from existence. This reality is separate from everything else to the extent everything else vanishes into nothingness.

The Great Dao define reality. The entire cycle of reincarnation is dependent on the Great Dao of Life and Death. And if you manipulate the Great Dao of Life and Death you can manipulate all of Life and Death.

To manipulate the Great Dao you must comprehend them.

Even if you can manipulate space and time with a thought, you still can't manipulate the Great Dao of Space and Time.

Among the Great Daos exists the Great Dao of Space and Time.

Dao Creators transcend their Dao Worlds making them 1-A.

Conclusion: The 3,000 Great Dao are Type 1 concepts and the Dao Creators transcend the Great Dao of Space and Time. Making Dao Creators 1-A.

Q: Is transcending an 1-A character to the same degree they transcend normal humans High 1-A?​

A: Generally speaking, no. The first level of 1-A is obtained by surpassing the composition of a lower reality, such that no union, combination or permutation of things within it, no matter how numerous, can attain to the higher level. The next level up repeats this pattern, so that no union, permutation or combination of things in the previous level can attain to it. And so on and so forth. As such, this proportion is already covered by a single additional level.

However, depending on the context, it can be High 1-A or supporting evidence for it, indeed. Specifically, if the statement is not meant to be inform the actual proportion between the powers of two characters, but simply their relative position in a cosmology. As, in a certain respect, it is valid to say that "High 1-A transcends 1-A in the same way 1-A transcends lower tiers," insofar as High 1-A transcends the generic quality defining a hierarchy or potential hierarchy of qualitative layers, just as 1-A transcends the qualities defining all conceivable dimensional spaces.

From what I understand of this question is that if something transcends a hierarchy of 1-A constructs the same way they transcend normal humans its H1-A.

Dao Creators see the entire hierarchy of power below them as mortals.

And every stage of the Dao Creator realm sees the one below it as a mortal.

And the Dao Creator realm can go on forever. And no matter how strong a Dao Creator gets it will never touch the next realm of the Creator Lord.

The Creator Lord sees the Dao Creators as mortals.

Conclusion: There is a hierarchy of 1-A Dao Creators where each stage transcends the one below it. This can go on forever but it will still never reach the Creator Lord realm. The Creator Lord transcends the Dao Creator hierarchy the same way it transcends itself and its Dao World. Making the Creator Lord H1-A.
 
I think that transcend The Great Dao of space and time is not enough because it only covers 4 dimensions (past, present, future). It seems to be Ac1 or Ac4.
 
Han Jue is just a higher degree of 1-A instead of straight up High 1-A. The hierarchy between Dao Creators isn't really a difference of meta-quality, but which one of them can beat each other in a fight.

High 1-A need a hierarchy of meta-quality.
 

Han Jue is just a higher degree of 1-A instead of straight up High 1-A. The hierarchy between Dao Creators isn't really a difference of meta-quality, but which one of them can beat each other in a fight.

High 1-A need a hierarchy of meta-quality.
Have you read Top Tier Providence before? I believe it to be a meta-hierarchy. Han Jue could not defeat an early-stage Dao Creator even though he was the strongest in the Chaos and defeated everyone including people from the future. He also was only able to defeat a middle-stage Dao Creator when he broke through to the middle stage. If the Dao Creators transcend each other every stage and can continue to grow stronger even after the peak of the realm. Then in a sense, it's already a hierarchy. No amount of ascending that hierarchy will allow the Dao Creators to reach the Creator Lord realm. And the Creator Lord transcends the hierarchy the same way the Dao Creators transcend each other and the concepts of space and time.
 
Han Jue is just a higher degree of 1-A instead of straight up High 1-A. The hierarchy between Dao Creators isn't really a difference of meta-quality, but which one of them can beat each other in a fight.

High 1-A need a hierarchy of meta-quality.
The difference between Dao Creators is layers above baseline 1-A. Early Dao Creators is 1 layer above baseline 1-A. Middle Dao Creators transcends Early Dao Creators the same way Early Dao Creators transcends Dao World and below, which would make it 2 layers above baseline 1-A. Late Stage Dao Creators is the same, as well as Perfected Dao Creators.

Dao World = Baseline 1-A
Early Dao Creators = 1 layer above baseline 1-A
Middle Dao Creators = 2 layers above baseline 1-A
Late Dao Creators = 3 layers above baseline 1-A
Perfected Dao Creators = 4 layers above baseline 1-A

After reaching Perfected Dao Creators, they can still cultivate and become stronger, but no matter how much they cultivate, they will never reach Creator Lord.

Creator Lord transcends the hierarchy of Dao Creators by comprehending and resonating with the basic rules of Blank Domain, which encompass and transcends everything except Creator Lord. Since Creator Lord transcends the framework of Dao Creators, and instead operate on a different, higher framework (basic rules of Blank Domain), they would be High 1-A (meta-quality).

Creator Lord = Baseline High 1-A (meta-quality)
Blank Domain = Baseline High 1-A (meta-quality)
 
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The difference between Dao Creators is layers above baseline 1-A. Early Dao Creators is baseline 1-A. Middle Dao Creators transcends Early Dao Creators the same way Early Dao Creators transcends Dao World and below, which would make it 1 layer above baseline 1-A. Late Stage Dao Creators is the same, as well as Perfected Dao Creators.

Early Dao Creators = Baseline 1-A
Middle Dao Creators = 1 layer above baseline 1-A
Late Dao Creators = 2 layers above baseline 1-A
Perfected Dao Creators = 3 layers above baseline 1-A

After reaching Perfected Dao Creators, they can still cultivate and become stronger, but no matter how much they cultivate, they will never reach Creator Lord.

Creator Lord transcends the hierarchy of Dao Creators by comprehending and resonating with the basic rules of Blank Domain, which encompass and transcends everything except Creator Lord. Since Creator Lord transcends the framework of Dao Creators, and instead operate on a different, higher framework (basic rules of Blank Domain), they would be High 1-A (meta-quality).

Creator Lord = Baseline High 1-A (meta-quality)
Blank Domain = Baseline High 1-A (meta-quality)
Why is he at 1A? I still don't understand.
 
Why is he at 1A? I still don't understand.
Because the place where Great Daos exist, transcends everything in the Dao World to the point they vanish into nothingness. Literal 1-A place.

Also i just realized that by having Great Daos alone, Dao World would be baseline 1-A, while Dao Creator start at 1 layer above 1-A.
 
I think that transcend The Great Dao of space and time is not enough because it only covers 4 dimensions (past, present, future). It seems to be Ac1 or Ac4.
I believe Dragon Talisman got their verse to 1-A by transcending the concept of space and time. I think it works like this, the concepts of space and time would include infinite dimensions even if the verse doesn’t have it. Because the concepts would encompass all of time and space, including infinite dimensions. Or something like that.
 
Have you read Top Tier Providence before? I believe it to be a meta-hierarchy. Han Jue could not defeat an early-stage Dao Creator even though he was the strongest in the Chaos and defeated everyone including people from the future. He also was only able to defeat a middle-stage Dao Creator when he broke through to the middle stage. If the Dao Creators transcend each other every stage and can continue to grow stronger even after the peak of the realm. Then in a sense, it's already a hierarchy. No amount of ascending that hierarchy will allow the Dao Creators to reach the Creator Lord realm. And the Creator Lord transcends the hierarchy the same way the Dao Creators transcend each other and the concepts of space and time.
I've read it till the end.

And yes, the hierarchy of Dao Creator is based on realm, cultivation bases and which are stronger in fight.

It's still not a meta-quality. And Creator Lord is just higher realm within 1-A.
 
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Because the place where Great Daos exist, transcends everything in the Dao World to the point they vanish into nothingness. Literal 1-A place.

Also i just realized that by having Great Daos alone, Dao World would be baseline 1-A, while Dao Creator start at 1 layer above 1-A.
From what I read in the scan, it doesn't say that everything is just The layer of space that has been transformed into nothingness (I wonder if R>F needs to include time(Low 2c) in order to go up to 1A).
 
Because the place where Great Daos exist, transcends everything in the Dao World to the point they vanish into nothingness. Literal 1-A place.

Also i just realized that by having Great Daos alone, Dao World would be baseline 1-A, while Dao Creator start at 1 layer above 1-A.
Well transcend to point they vanish to nothingness it mean R>F. The scan show us it literally vanish to nothingness, it not superiority to begin with, it just yeah something getting erased to nothingness
 
Well transcend to point they vanish to nothingness it mean R>F. The scan show us it literally vanish to nothingness, it not superiority to begin with, it just yeah something getting erased to nothingness
From Beyond-Dimensional Existence:

However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Great Daos exist in a purely conceptual domain. The fact that the place where Great Daos exist, transcends everything in the Dao World to the extent they vanish into nothingness just confirms that Great Daos and the place where they exist is 1-A.
 
From Beyond-Dimensional Existence:

However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Great Daos exist in a purely conceptual domain. The fact that the place where Great Daos exist, transcends everything in the Dao World to the extent they vanish into nothingness just confirms that Great Daos and the place where they exist is 1-A.
Yeah but not any concept are 1A or low 1A by default, just concept that make the whatness/quiddity of something. Dao by default are just law of nature, it needs more explanation for make it 1A
 
As someone who is rereading the novel because I've been working on a Han Jue profile for quite some time, I disagree with the CRT.

The Great Dao are definitely not type1/independent concepts. They were affected when Han Jue killed all living beings in the Chaos.
The Ultimate God of Punishment thought to himself.

He looked up and noticed that the three thousand Great Dao began to shrink.

With the death of all living beings in the Chaos, the power of rules began to weaken. The Chaotic Space began to collapse.

It was returning to its initial state! -Chapter 966
Type 1 concepts are not supposed to be affected by things that "participate" in them.
 
This was an unprecedented feeling. It was extremely powerful, even making him feel that he was omnipotent!

He could shake the situation of the three thousand Great Dao with a wave of his hand!

Most importantly, he could create reality now!

With a thought, he could turn his thoughts into reality and put them into the Chaos, forming a true space-time. He could also take it back with a thought. However, the world he imagined would be affected by the power of creation and constantly evolve once it existed for too long

He looked carefully. The Chaos was divided into countless space-time dimensions. Parallel, overlapping, and complicated. Among them, the Heavenly Dao’s space-time was augmented by two powerful forces. It was more stable than other space-time dimensions. -Chapter 839
R>F Transcendence. Han Jue can turn his thoughts into reality, and vice versa. And no, this is not Subjective Reality. This is the ability of Great Dao Supreme Realm due to being in the same level of reality as the Seven Supreme Rules.

Han Jue’s gaze landed on the power of creation. It was the power that hung above the three thousand Great Dao.

It was also the strongest power!

Creation was everything!

The seven supreme powers did not belong to anyone and were eternally independent.

The light of the power of creation was the brightest. The endless power of creation turned invisible and split into countless parts that scattered in every corner of the Chaos. -Chapter 839
Also correction. Great Daos is not Type 1 Concept. Instead, it's the Seven Supreme Rules.
 
I've read it till the end.

And yes, the hierarchy of Dao Creator is based on realm, cultivation bases and which are stronger in fight.

It's still not a meta-quality. And Creator Lord is just higher realm within 1-A.
So I made a post asking about how would you affect something that has qualitative superiority over you. And someone said if you draw power from a power source that is higher than the thing that has qualitative superiority over you. Cause I found an anti feat of Han Jue struggling against an early-stage Dao Creator as a mid stage Dao Creator. I assume you're also thinking about that. What do you think of the Blank Domain being the power source? Dao Worlds which is what Dao Creators use to cultivate. They devour the Blank Domain which is an infinity that not even Dao Creators can reach.
 
As someone who is rereading the novel because I've been working on a Han Jue profile for quite some time, I disagree with the CRT.

The Great Dao are definitely not type1/independent concepts. They were affected when Han Jue killed all living beings in the Chaos.

Type 1 concepts are not supposed to be affected by things that "participate" in them.
It was an idea. Theres a bunch of other stuff like the Supreme or Basic Rules you can say are type 1.
 
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