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Ivan is a 1-C Low, heavenly eye is fate manip, space and time manip, precog, if musashi sees that is a hard battle via heavenly eyes, she just uses np and wins this battle, and if artoria use excalibur to stop it ( what wouldn't happen ) her would just counter it because of the effect of np.Well, it's the same eye that cannot see the possibility where Musashi defeat Ivan, it's not potent as you think it is, it just the same thing like Gilgamesh's SNI.
It doesnt matter what Musashi see what matter was the single possibility she choose that she want to make happen, so its not that Artoria's Instinct is broken she just simply counter it.
Myoujingiri is a problem only when it reach her spirit core. If Artoria can block it then it shouldnt be a problem.
I think Artoria can use her Mana Burst better with Rin as her master, can Musashi do anything about the AP gap between the two?
You completely miss my point, it doesnt matter what Ivan's tier is the point is that there's clear limit in Musashi's Heavenly Eyes because people tend to use it as her auto-win button.Ivan is a 1-C Low, heavenly eye is fate manip, space and time manip, precog, if musashi sees that is a hard battle via heavenly eyes, she just uses np and wins this battle, and if artoria use excalibur to stop it ( what wouldn't happen ) her would just counter it because of the effect of np.
forgive me for my poor english, what i meant by broken is that it is a very strong skill.
Heavenly Eye have a limit, but, ivan tier is precisely the reason she didn't see a way to beat him, and the heavenly eye show more than that in a BATTLE, im not saying that she would know of her abilities and skills, and yes of your movements, this part of the heavenly eye works like an eye of mind of rank EX.You completely miss my point, it doesnt matter what Ivan's tier is the point is that there's clear limit in Musashi's Heavenly Eyes because people tend to use it as her auto-win button.
Heavenly Eyes only shows Musashi how to defeat her opponent, it doesnt give her complete information about their skill, true name or their past and future meaning even if she knows Artoria is a hard opponent she wouldnt know about her ability or her future.
Also it's off character for Musashi to use her NP off the bat, she is most likely to want to exchange blow with swordmaster from the west.
Now that i think about it, if they exchange blow i don't think Musashi can parry Artoria's attack imbued with Mana Burst, i think i will vote for Artoria for this reason.
She literally see how to defeat Chaos "defeat" not "kill" also she did cut Ivan's trunk when his protection of lightning is removed, before his protection of lightning is removed she can't even scratch him, so it's not about Ivan's tier.Heavenly Eye have a limit, but, ivan tier is precisely the reason she didn't see a way to beat him, and the heavenly eye show more than that in a BATTLE, im not saying that she would know of her abilities and skills, and yes of your movements, this part of the heavenly eye works like an eye of mind of rank EX.
Its not off character because musashi tends to cheat and do everything to beat his opponents, or how she tried to run away when she saw she wouldn't beat yagyuu in their first duel.
Musashi would probably dodge artoria's blows since their speeds are the same and artoria's instinct only works in dangerous situations and not in a matter of hitting her opponent, she would have a high advantage in that situation because of her heavenly eye.
Yes, it is, this has never even happened with anyone other than ivan, why is it?She literally see how to defeat Chaos "defeat" not "kill" also she did cut Ivan's trunk when his protection of lightning is removed, before his protection of lightning is removed she can't even scratch him, so it's not about Ivan's tier.
Musashi does use cheap tricks to defeat her opponent yes but using NP off the bat is not her character, besides she doesnt know precisely how strong Artoria is, what she know is that Artoria is strong that is.
I doubt she can dodge every attacks, her skill is above Artoria but Artoria herself is not that weak that Musashi could dodge every of her attack, also i'm pretty sure that Mana Burst A has decent aoe that makes it harder for Musashi to dodge.
Battle Continuation of Musashi works like any other, is not like a disengage.I don't get what are you trying to say but you just repeating my point. Heavenly Eye can see how to defeat Chaos which mean it's not about tier, same case with Ivan, Musahsi cannot see how to defeat him but after his protection of lightning is removed she can cut his trunk.
Again Heavenly Eyes only show her how to defeat her opponent, its not going to tell her that it's a losing battle, especially since Artoria isnt that strong.
I never said Heavenly Eyes doesn't work it just Artoria's instinct counter Musashi's Heavenly Eyes.
(I hate repeating myself like this)
Master here is just provide mana they're not present in battle.
Musashi's Battle Continuation doesn't work like that, she simply ran away or using dirty tricks to survive if she cannot defeat her opponent, she would not have any survivability like King Hassan or any other Servants with high Battle Continuation.
I really really don't understand what you trying to say, first you try debunk my argument not only without proof but you debunk your own argument the next second.Battle Continuation of Musashi works like any other, is not like a disengage.
She has battle continuation for running away from fights or playing dead and coming back as an awesome comeback, you're confusing.
Heavenly Eyes not only show a form to defeat her opponent, and i already said about this.
And " nothingness " can probably handle artoria's mana burst attacks as well, in addition to the battle continuation.
are you really trying to say that being so good at escaping attacks that even a sword move fueled by multi-dimensional refraction phenomenon can be stopped is bad? Based on the fact that Artoria could survive it -not escape it- and counter-attack only because his sword being bent, a total coincidence, created a flaw in his technique? That tsubame gaeshi? Still the same tsubame gaeshi that allowed him to defeat heracles in unlimited codes?Nothingness only gives her peerless swordmanship, it doesn't give her any ability to block or parry attack beyond her AP, at most she can only block something on the level of Tsubame gaeshi, yes the same thing that failed to give any major injury to Artoria.
I just don't understand your point, you are wrong in every way about musashi's abilitiesI really really don't understand what you trying to say, first you try debunk my argument not only without proof but you debunk your own argument the next second.
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Here Musashi dying, does she looks like she lost half of her body? Is there any limbs that not present? Is there any hole in her body? Or is there any fatal injuries?
You already said about what?
Nothingness only gives her peerless swordmanship, it doesn't give her any ability to block or parry attack beyond her AP, at most she can only block something on the level of Tsubame gaeshi, yes the same thing that failed to give any major injury to Artoria.
Seriously do you even read the story? It's tiring for me to get the proof or explain what their abilities do to you.