Arrowverse CRT: FTL for Speedsters

[ByArrow]

This thread is to show that speedster need to travel faster than the speed of light for time travel.

Barry allen is hit by a missile while running, as a result of which he travels through time. He then says that when the missile hit, he exceeded the speed of light, which is why he was able to travel in time.[1]

When Barry could not time travel physically, he was able to time travel mentally using the neural hyper-collider designed by Jay Garrick. This device enables time travel by converting neural electricity into Superluminal particles.[2]

Barry says he has to run faster than light to reverse time.[3]

Barry runs faster than light to travel through time[4]

(They share the same multiverse and The Speed Force as we saw in Crisis on infinite earths and titans)

All this shows that speedsters must be faster than light in order to travel in time.

Any speedster who can time travel scales to this

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

And yet it was stated that CW Barry travelled mach 4 to time travel,

 

[ByArrow]

And yet it was stated that CW Barry travelled mach 4 to time travel,

We regard as invalid what was said about CW Barry's speed

Also they said it was Mach 2, not Mach 4, and after saying that, they said Barry had never reached that speed. And for context, in doing so it had to collide with a particle moving at the speed of light. So again, the speed of light was involved.

 

[Dalesean027]

At this point this is just partly a continuation of this crt so we should pull everything from here that was agreed upon and fully restructure the OP


Also brodie do not use tags for shit that is unrelated to the OP, DCEU shouldn't be brought up in the same vein as the arrowverse one in a CRT.

Thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/

 

[Dalesean027]

To help out I'll give ya the cliffnotes of everything from this CRT that we can just use here, that all good?

So we can tackle both of these at once

 

[ByArrow]

At this point this is just partly a continuation of this crt so we should pull everything from here that was agreed ipon and fully restructure the OP

I don't understand what you mean, can you say it again more clearly?

Also brodie do not use tags for shit that is unrelated to the OP, DCEU shouldn't be brought up in the same vein as the arrowverse one in a CRT.

OP has scans from DCEU so it's not unrelated.

 

[Dalesean027]

I don't understand what you mean, can you say it again more clearly

You're tackling part of the exact same thing in said ongoing crt so this technically is already acting as a continuation of it therefore we might as well fully restructure this crt based around the prior one I linked.


This is something I can have all the information on so I can help with

OP has scans from DCEU so it's not unrelated

So tackle that in another thread why are you doing DCEU along with arrowverse and using that for evidence when its a different verse and also already has a FTL rating

 

[ByArrow]

You're tackling part of the exact same thing in said ongoing crt so this technically is already acting as a continuation of it therefore we might as well fully restructure this crt based around the prior one I linked.


This is something I can have all the information on so I can help with

Didn't we already come to a conclusion in the previous CRT? As far as I know, we're just waiting for ByAsura to handle a few remaining things.

So tackle that in another thread why are you doing DCEU along with arrowverse and using that for evidence when its a different verse and also already has a FTL rating

The DCEU and the Arrowverse are basically the same verse. Just different worlds in the same multiverse.

 

[Dalesean027]

Didn't we already come to a conclusion in the previous CRT? As far as I know, we're just waiting for ByAsura to handle a few remaining things.

Not at all byasura isn't even working on it anymore and has seemingly dropped it as he deleted erased his sandbox and has been very active elsewhere, hence my saying lets just finish that crt here since it will effect all the current stuff you're proposing right now and more anyways

 

[Dalesean027]

The one in ByAsura's sandbox was the outdated one.


He hadn't added what he was working on to the wiki.


Also He made a calculation about the Arrowverse 16 days ago.

CW Feats I Forgot About

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Also, since we cannot access ByAsura's latest work, the best we can do is wait for ByAsura to come back.

I see well shouldn't this wait then since its still overlapping with the other CRT tho?

 

[Lynieryz]

I honestly don't understand the conflict here, it's very simple Barry can go back in time through pure speed [mach 2] this proves that the speed of light is not a limit as this is not even a fixed value for time travel, and I'm pretty sure Barry has already traveled through time in the mach speed range in another scene that didn't involve the particle accelerator, I just don't remember which scene it was.

 

[Dalesean027]

I honestly don't understand the conflict here, it's very simple Barry can go back in time through pure speed [mach 2] this proves that the speed of light is not a limit as this is not even a fixed value for time travel, and I'm pretty sure Barry has already traveled through time in the mach speed range in another scene that didn't involve the particle accelerator, I just don't remember which scene it was.

Nah CW explicitly has very terrible statements that outright contradict feats and are genuinely just blatantly false to the point they're unusable and are clearly wrong and just thrown out there

 

[Lynieryz]

Nah CW explicitly has very terrible statements that outright contradict feats and are genuinely just blatantly false to the point they're unusable and are clearly wrong and just thrown out there

Okay, without statements then, this feat can be calculated because there are several moving references when it is performed. And you know that there is no speed of light involved, yet it was still enough speed for him to travel through time.

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay, without statements then, this feat can be calculated because there are several moving references when it is performed. And you know that there is no speed of light involved, yet it was still enough speed for him to travel through time.

This is why I said this thread should just wait, we already have all of this figured out in the crt I was talking to Arrow about earlier, because we already have a bunch of the calcs and scaling done and figured out and all of these arguments about statements had already been had and what to do about them.

Thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/

Post in thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/post-4561892

Post in thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/post-5871537

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[Lynieryz]

This is why I said this thread should just wait, we already have all of this figured out in the crt I was talking to Arrow about earlier, because we already have a bunch of the calcs and scaling done and figured out and all of these arguments about statements had already been had and what to do about them.

Thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/

Post in thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/post-4561892

Post in thread 'CW Flash Revision' https://vsbattles.com/threads/cw-flash-revision.132451/post-5871537

ByAsura/Sandbox42

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Doesn't this thread exist to refute the idea that characters cannot exceed the speed of light because they travel through time when they reach it? My comments are just about this, what you linked seems to assume that this limitation does not exist, was there a discussion regarding this? or is this limitation not even accepted by the wiki?

 

[Dalesean027]

Doesn't this thread exist to refute the idea that characters cannot exceed the speed of light because they travel through time when they reach it? My comments are just about this, what you linked seems to assume that this limitation does not exist, was there a discussion regarding this? or is this limitation not even accepted by the wiki?

Not that im understanding, OP's just saying they travel FTL to time travel

 

[ByArrow]

the OP is saying is that the speed required to travel through time is FTL. It doesn't say anything other than that.

 

[ByArrow]

I see well shouldn't this wait then since its still overlapping with the other CRT tho?

Yes, it should wait.

 

[Lynieryz]

the OP is saying is that the speed required to travel through time is FTL. It doesn't say anything other than that.

I clearly disagree; light speed is not a necessary speed for time travel.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

what is that discuss

 

[ByArrow]

what is that discuss

Basically, it's about time travel in the Arrowverse requires moving at FTL speeds.

 

[ByAsura]

Arrow and I have been discussing this, along with a ton of other feats, and I agree.

Also, there's a bit more evidence, as Smallville is also part of the CW multiverse. Basically, Bart Allen never properly tapped into the Speed Force until Season 6 Episode 11, since that's when he first saw the Black Racer.

As we see in Armageddon, a Speedster can't enter the time stream without tapping into the Speed Force directly.

Also, there's a lot of substantiation for this kind of stuff, like Relativistic feats and Barry being several times slower than characters who can properly utilise tachyons to reach FTL.

And you know that there is no speed of light involved, yet it was still enough speed for him to travel through time.

This is never stated, and Barry far surpassed any of his limits to achieve this feat.

Wells even says in The Darkness and the Light that Speed Mirages are small fry next to time travel, and Barry had difficulty using Speed Mirages in Season 2, suggesting that unaided time travel is above early Season 2 Flash's usual level of speed.

I honestly don't understand the conflict here, it's very simple Barry can go back in time through pure speed [mach 2]

By colliding with a light-speed particle in the particle accelerator.

Plus, there's several near or FTL statements in Season 2 alone, including The Darkness and the Light and Flash of Two Worlds.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Flash profile is so old they even forget to update it

Do we need a second admin for this? I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't add this CRT with your approval. ((please add something to the flash profile )

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This should be fine since the Mach 2 anti-statement is contradicted by the same episode that mentioned it.

 

[ByArrow]

Two staff members have agreed. So this thread can now be closed.

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