Archie Sonic vs Classic Strange: Battle for the 5th strongest 4-B

[Bobsican]

Isn't Sonic's fate hax just probability Manipulation specifically?

Not really

In an hyper nutshell:

"Some form of Plot Manipulation/Fate Manipulation/Plot Armor: Being the constant of chaos, Sonic is able to accomplish what should be impossible, always being able to accomplish what is necessary to achieve victory since reality itself is able to rewrite to save Sonic allowing even that who should kill Sonic, is actually responsible for his victory."

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonic's Fate Hax bypasses resistance to Fate Manip.

@M3X What I was getting at was that it will basically turn Strange into a jobber like it did with Scourge. If all it takes is for Strange to even think for summoning, fate will say "Allow me to introduce myself"

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

So has Sonic in canon never lost a battle or something? I will be very surprised if Sonic just passively stomps all his opponents and nothing bad ever happens to him.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

The major beings he fights have resistance to it like Enerjak for example who can resist his aura.

 

[Theuser789]

Sonic can lose but temporaly,not a full loss, plus bad things can still happen with his friends

 

[Bobsican]

I´ll just go ahead and say Sonic FRA if this isn´t an stomp

 

[The_New_God]

Sonic FRA

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Wasn't it just said above that Strange affects 2-A beings higher than Sonic's level of 2-A?

 

[Theuser789]

Sonic FRA I guess

And Strange affecting higher 2-A's is pointeless since fate hax will make him job, plus Strange himself is 4-B

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Sonic FRA

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Sonic FRA

 

[Godhand1999]

I'll vote for Sonic.

I'll list out some more thoughts later.

 

[The_New_God]

This isn't Strange vs Sonic. This is "Strange vs Fate" hax

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sonic FRA.

 

[Bobsican]

Grace period starts!

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Sonic FRA

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Wdym grace. It's a stomp.

 

[Bobsican]

Wdym grace. It's a stomp.

Strange can still summon High 1-B stuff apparently

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Wdym grace. It's a stomp.

Strange can still summon High 1-B stuff apparently

Fatehax lolnopes that apparently

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

He can't summon High 1-B abstracts. Just the avatars which are 2-A or High 2-A.

 

[Theuser789]

He can't summon High 1-B abstracts. Just the avatars which are 2-A or High 2-A.

Which can still beat Sonic

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Fatehax would make Strange not use the summons..............

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Fate Hax apparently makes him win passively and makes all Stranges magic ineffective. Sonic himself can't be hurt only his friends can. Lmao.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Strange still has wincons.

It's the Fatehax stuff preventing Sonic's utter annihilation that causes it to lolnope

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

What wincons? If Strange summons anything he wins. Apparently Fate Hax negs that and all his magic.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Honestly, Sonic passively nulls Magical powers with both his Aura and the Sword of Acorns, so Strange might not have any win conditions

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Pretty sure Sword of Acorns isn't passive.

 

[Theuser789]

Fate hax can still make Sonic lose temporarily, AKA incon, which the summons can do, it's just that Sonic Beats him First, a stomp when a character can't win no matter what

We already had this talk in the Sally versus Bill thread, pls stop

 

[ShakeResounding]

The wincon is in the summons and such. Probably a few hax that Sonic doesn't resist here and there that aren't magic-related (unless everything is magic)

Problem comes in Fate stuff making Sonic stay good to go, alongside another layer of defensive Fate Manip from the Sword and the Sword being able to possess Sonic to make him avoid death when necessary via it having Precog.

So Sonic's basically a defensive juggernaut here

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

"The wincons is in the summons"

>Literally said a while ago that Strange would act like a jobber and not use the summons

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Summoning ***** Sonic over so if he can summon it's a stomp for Strange.

 

[Theuser789]

He won't do it doesn't mean he can't use them, there's a big diference

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I'm still not conviced that Sonic has never been beaten or stalmated in canon.

 

[Theuser789]

I'm still not conviced that Sonic has never been beaten or stalmated in canon.

Sonic can lose but temporaly, if you aren't conviced read the blogs explaining it

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He won't do it doesn't mean he can't use them, there's a big diference

In this case, he will never use them

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Ok if he won't then than takes away the wincon.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

He can temporarily lose a fight, but his Fatehax prevents his death and ensures his eventual victory

 

[Theuser789]

In this case, he will never use them

Never using them is diferent from not being able to use them, that's just a decisive victory

We literaly were here before, pls stop

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

So he loses the fight and then comes back and eventually wins in canon.