Archaon key addition/Incarnate and Nagash clean up

[Blackcurrant91]

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Adding a key for early life Archaon as per sandbox above.

All the incarnates should have their incarnate resistances in their first key. They are suitable vessels for the stupidly large amount of Aethyr that is an entire wind prior to becoming incarnates and should thus have the same resistances. Each Winds is noted to only be able to enter suitable host, and it would actually make more sense if they could resist this pre incarnate then only post incarnate, becoming an incarnate is just the confirmation of the resistances itself. (This reasoning could probably be rejected similar to how you dont get resistances to all of someones abilities just from fighting them but I believe it applies here)

Would be something along the lines of '

'Able to contain the massive amount of Aethyr required to become an incarnate without losing their form, proving resistances to'

[[Causality Manipulation]]/[[Matter Manipulation]]/[[Physics Manipulation]]/[[Conceptual Manipulation]]/[[Law Manipulation]]/[[Reality Warping]] (already accepted in another thread)

Nagash should have resistances to Dhar in his first key.

[[Chaos Manipulation]]/[[Empathic Manipulation]]/[[Corruption]]/[[Transmutation]], [[Soul Manipulation]] and [[Possession]] (Due to regularly manipulating large amounts of Dhar, should have resistance to the Corrupting, Mutating, Ensnaring, Maddening, possessing and Soul stealing nature of the power of Chaos that is Aethyr])

 

[SomaKing13]

I'm all for this (getting a sense of deja vu here)

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I agree with this

 

[Naito-desu]

This looks fine

 

[Blackcurrant91]

'All the incarnates should have their incarnate resistances in their first key. They are suitable vessels for the stupidly large amount of Aethyr that is an entire wind prior to becoming incarnates and should thus have the same resistances. Each Winds is noted to only be able to enter suitable host, and it would actually make more sense if they could resist this pre incarnate then only post incarnate, becoming an incarnate is just the confirmation of the resistances itself. (This reasoning could probably be rejected similar to how you dont get resistances to all of someones abilities just from fighting them but I believe it applies here)'

This is the only controversial thing. Would appreciate some input from non fantasy supporters.

 

[Naito-desu]

So basically the logic is that the Wind only goes into a suitable host and thus all Incarnates prior to becoming Incarnates already have the resistances to it?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

So basically the logic is that the Wind only goes into a suitable host and thus all Incarnates prior to becoming Incarnates already have the resistances to it?

Yeah pretty much when objects absorb too much Aethyr they lose their form. If they didn't already have resistance to Aethyr absorbing an entire wind would have EE'ed them.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Bump

 

[Blackcurrant91]

bump

 

[Naito-desu]

So how does this work with Teclis, didn't he die from trying to absorb all the Winds?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Teclis isn't an incarnate, he was able to manipulate all of them at once briefly, (he does have incarnate resistances from taking in 1 of the winds+another 1 without fully losing his form, although it did damage him heavily) he was EE'ed by giant Chaos Rift that Archaon opened with the Old One Tech. The incarnates weren't effected by this tho.

 

[Naito-desu]

Bump

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Teclis being able to resist taking in an entire wind without being an incarnate heavily supports this change as well.

 

[Antvasima]

@Dino_Ranger_Black @Gemmysaur @JustSomeWeirdo @LordGriffin1000 @Crabwhale @GyroNutz @DarkGrath @The_Wright_Way

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'll check it out soon as I get the chance.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The additional key seems fine to add given the difference. I don't know much about the Warhammer verse so I can't say much about the resistance thing but if nothing implies they gained said resistances from becoming vessels, I have no issue with them getting the resistances in the previous key.

If anything, likely resistance to [insert abilities here] could work if anything.

 

[Naito-desu]

Well the logic that we operate on is that the resistance is likely what makes them able to become the vessels in the first place

 

[DaReaperMan]

I agree with this

 

[Naito-desu]

Alright, so this can be applied then? We can wait for more input on the resistances but Archaon's key seems to be agreeable

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Archaons additional key doesn't really add any abilities to him anyway. It just splits them up and adds new AP/Durability.

 

[Antvasima]

So what has been accepted here so far, and what still needs to be discussed, more specifically?

 

[Naito-desu]

I think everything has been agreed on honestly. So we;

• Add a new key to Archaon according to the sandbox above
• Add Incarante resistances to all heroes who have them to their previous key (under Blackcurrant's discretion)
• Add listed resistances to Dhar to Nagash's first key

 

[Shmooply]

Looks good, though I think there should be a "same as before, plus:" in his second key.

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah there was supposed to be, it's been updated

 

[Antvasima]

I think everything has been agreed on honestly. So we;

• Add a new key to Archaon according to the sandbox above
• Add Incarante resistances to all heroes who have them to their previous key (under Blackcurrant's discretion)
• Add listed resistances to Dhar to Nagash's first key

Okay. That is probably fine to add then.

 

[Naito-desu]

Alright, Sigmar and Nagash's pages need to be unlocked, could you unlock them please?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Naito-desu]

I'm not yet finished, but I'll let @Blackcurrant91 and @Soma_King be the ones to decide when to close since I'll need them to check if the changes I made were correct

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Naito-desu]

Alright we've finished the revisions, you can lock Sigmar and Nagash and close this thread now

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.