Arceus's Speed Downgrade and Others

[RotofBots]

I definitely don't agree with conceptual creation for the CT/LT. they are conceptual embodiments and then creating matter/spirit does not mean they created the concepts of matter/spirit.

What are your opinions on the rest of the stuff?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Current proposals:
Immortality (Type 8 and 9) for Arceus, LT and CT

In fact, Immortality (Type 9) will only be for the avatars of Arceus, CT and LT and not for their true forms

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Type 1 Astraction is fine. I question Type 4 Acausality since Giratina's statement isn't that direct, but I won't protest it.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Type 1 Astraction is fine. I question Type 4 Acausality since Giratina's statement isn't that direct, but I won't protest it.

And what do you think of the rest?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Aside from what I have mentioned, the rest looks pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Should the proposal for Conceptual Creation for LT only be replaced by Creation?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yep

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Llama should be a type 2 conceptual manipulator though.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

No he shouldn't. None of the Pokemon conceptuals qualify for Type 2 concepts.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I don't understand conceptual manipulation anymore...

 

[RotofBots]

Anyways, if the Lake Trio are going to be type 1 Abstracts, shouldn't they also get Omnipresence?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I don't understand conceptual manipulation anymore...

If you can show that the concept isn't bound by the objects it represents, then it's type 2.

Otherwise it's type 3.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Type 2 requires the concept to be above, before, or after all objects of the concept. For Palkia, for example, the moment he came into existence, so did space. For Type 2, he would need to exist as a conceptual abstract unbound by the space, as he could show by existing before or after space itself. Space (the object) and Palkia (the concept), exist simultaneously and, so far, Palkia has not been shown to exist without it, indicating he is a concept bound by reality and his object instead of being above it.

 

[NeoZex6399]

I hope that gen 8 will give us the type 2 conceptual manipulation (and certain statement that many of us are waiting for).

 

[The_Causality]

The only thing i want for Pokemon is

A f*cking Remake of Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinium

 

[TriforcePower1]

I hope that gen 8 will give us the type 2 conceptual manipulation (and certain statement that many of us are waiting for).

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha We're lucky if Game Freak didn't forget that every legendary before the 7th gen exists

4th gen remakes are our only hope

 

[Elizhaa]

Guess, it will be update time

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Do we already have people agreeing enough for the changes to be made?

 

[Elizhaa]

Yes

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So I think changes can be made

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Should not Arceus, Giratina, Palkia and Dialga have Dimensional Travel instead of Portal Creation?

 

[Elizhaa]

They can have both. The page is new so this way it is not on the profile. While the ability is versatile, I still iffy on the name since it is not scientifically accurate. This is an easy fix since it about just definition.

 

[DMB_1]

Dialga has the Immortality section listed 2 times, and one of them has type 4, which he shouldn't have.

Also, if they are type1 concepts, they should also get type 8.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Dialga has the Immortality section listed 2 times, and one of them has type 4, which he shouldn't have.

Palkia also had Immortality mentioned 2 times in it's profiles too

And Dialga and Palkia should receive Acausality (Type 4)

 

[Elizhaa]

I saw and fixed it. It just coming with the perfect system for editing to apply to numerous profiles can be tedious.

 

[DMB_1]

Also, if they are type1 concepts, they should also get type 8.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Well if I was able I would help you sort the profiles perfectly but unfortunately I cannot unless you unlock the profiles (since I have nothing to do today)

 

[Elizhaa]

Well if I was able I would help you sort the profiles perfectly but unfortunately I cannot unless you unlock the profiles (since I have nothing to do today)

If you are willing to help, I can unlock the profile!

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Yes, I'm willing to help !! Could you also unlock Azelf, Mesprit and Uxie profiles too?

 

[Elizhaa]

LT and CT are unlocked. Just tell me when you are done, Enryu The Red Tower!

 

[JooCipher]

can someone resume the changes?

please

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@DMB

They aren't type 1 conceptual unless you'd like to argue for 1-A Uxie.

They aren't even type 2; the Pokémon abstracts have never shown transcendence or disconnection from the objects of their concepts.

 

[Elizhaa]

@DMB
They aren't type 1 conceptual unless you'd like to argue for 1-A Uxie.

They aren't even type 2; the Pokémon abstracts have never shown transcendence or disconnection from the objects of their concepts.

Type 1 abstract aren't restricted to 1-A. An ex: is Madoka Kaname's case which was added by Kaltias who was critical for the Abstract page updated

• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Madoka_Kaname?action=history

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

That's type 1 abstract not concept.

 

[Elizhaa]

That's type 1 abstract not concept.

My bad, I though abstract. Because most known only Tier 1-A have Type 1 Concept Man.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

@Nedge1000

Finally I'm done !!! You can now lock the CT and LT profile's

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Now that I sorta understand conceptual stuff better, Assalt is right.

 

[Elizhaa]

You got three same messages, The real cal howard.

 

[Elizhaa]

@Nedge1000
Finally I'm done !!! You can now lock the CT and LT profile's

Thanks, they are locked!

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I have a basic question, Giratina should not have Resistance to Space-Time Manipulation and Mind Manipulation like Palkia and Dialga? I have not added this before as this had not been discussed