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For the three you said, I have to say no, maybe, and no respectively.
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Arceus created the concepts of space and time
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If I had the time, I would've done it in the original post. The best TL;DR I can give is that Pokémon doesn't have an outerverse, dimensionless doesn't mean beyond dimensions, and plenty of characters who did what Arceus did and more don't have outerverses in their verse.
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Then lets drop the term outerverse since it seems to have too much weight for this thread.
- Able to exist in the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse (he did so, because there was neither a multiverse to be in, nor dimensions, before he created them)
- Able to leave the multiverse and go into the dimensionless void it is placed into (since he was outside of it before it existed, he should be able to go back there)
- Able to BFR his opponents into the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse
- Able to exist in the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse (he did so, because there was neither a multiverse to be in, nor dimensions, before he created them)
- Able to leave the multiverse and go into the dimensionless void it is placed into (since he was outside of it before it existed, he should be able to go back there)
- Able to BFR his opponents into the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse
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Those things you mentioned are 1-A type things. This would imply he would have transcended dimensions I do believe in which is 1-A despite nothing implying he has. The only thing I see him possibly transcending in the 4th Dimension and even then we don't have enough evidence to prove that.DaFritzi said:
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I agree the definition should be edited so we can fix confusion surrounding it (i'll admit, even Im somewhat conufsed by it but since I never once argued tier 1 Arceus, I never thought it mattered to look into it til now).
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I agree with FTW395.
@dragonmasterxyz:
Cal expained to me that the Outerverse is a beyonddimensional void transcending even a hierarchy of infinite dimensions.
As such it is different from a dimensionless void, which does not trancend infinite dimension. However they are similar as they can both contain space/time constructs.
@dragonmasterxyz:
Cal expained to me that the Outerverse is a beyonddimensional void transcending even a hierarchy of infinite dimensions.
As such it is different from a dimensionless void, which does not trancend infinite dimension. However they are similar as they can both contain space/time constructs.
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@Ant. You have any opinions on the points I made on Arceus?
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- Able to exist in the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse (he did so, because there was neither a multiverse to be in, nor dimensions, before he created them, since dimensions are a property of space)
- Able to leave the multiverse and go into the dimensionless void he placed it into (since he was outside of it before it existed, he should be able to go back there)
- Able to BFR his opponents into the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse (applying where he should have access to to the BFR ha already has)
And the points cal made were:
- low-godly regen and non-corporeal (since the original spirit was able to exist in the dimensionless void without space those two should apply to Arceus)
- Able to leave the multiverse and go into the dimensionless void he placed it into (since he was outside of it before it existed, he should be able to go back there)
- Able to BFR his opponents into the dimensionless void outside of the multiverse (applying where he should have access to to the BFR ha already has)
And the points cal made were:
- low-godly regen and non-corporeal (since the original spirit was able to exist in the dimensionless void without space those two should apply to Arceus)
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I'm not for 1-A in the slightest. I was referring to Godly regen, type 8 immortality, and non-corporeality.
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I am not for 1-A at all. Cal's suggestion on the otherhand.....
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Welp good to see DarkLK agrees with us. I suggest we drop 1-A Arceus.
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Yeah with all due respect its gonna take A LOT more than that for Arceus to ever even be considered to become a 1-A, which wont happen anytime soon.
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I knew this would be the result, but my three suggestions do not require Arceus to be 1-A.
This part of this wikis definition of outerverse ("Also, mere capability to exist in a beyond dimensional domain does not qualify a character as a beyond dimensional being.") states that it is possible for a being that is not 1-A to exist outside of dimensional structures. Also I stopped insisting on outerversal Arceus a while back, I'm just talking about a dimensionless place without space and time outside of the multiverse.
This part of this wikis definition of outerverse ("Also, mere capability to exist in a beyond dimensional domain does not qualify a character as a beyond dimensional being.") states that it is possible for a being that is not 1-A to exist outside of dimensional structures. Also I stopped insisting on outerversal Arceus a while back, I'm just talking about a dimensionless place without space and time outside of the multiverse.
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Three things to be added to Arceus profile:
- Able to exist in dimensionless "space"
- Able to leave the 4-D Multiverse he is in and manipulate it from the outside
- Able to BFR enemies into this dimensionless space.
Also I support the three claims Cal made:
- Type 8 immortality
- Non-corporeal
- low-godly regen
- Able to exist in dimensionless "space"
- Able to leave the 4-D Multiverse he is in and manipulate it from the outside
- Able to BFR enemies into this dimensionless space.
Also I support the three claims Cal made:
- Type 8 immortality
- Non-corporeal
- low-godly regen
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Shouldn't Arceus's have Type 1 immortality as well?
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Type 4 is basically type 1 but better.
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It is probably best to discuss Cal's stuff on a seperate thread.
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Agreed. I'll close this and open a new thing.
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