Arceus avatar low 1-C

[XXKINGXX69]

The premise of this thread is to upgrade Arceus’ avatar to being relative to his own true form, along with the Creation Trio, Lake Guardians, Darkrai, Cresselia

Creation Trio

A lot of people have this misconception that the Creation Trio is massively stronger in their true form, but they shouldn’t be. When their avatars were clashing, their own realms (their true forms) are included in the places they were almost destroying. And before you say “but how can the avatars be stronger than the true forms”, this doesn’t mean they are stronger than their true forms, just that their avatars can already almost destroy their true forms, making them equal or relative. If the avatars of the Creation Trio scale to their true forms, then its more evidence that Arceus’ avatar scales to his true form


There are 3D objects with the Original One’s power

There is a rock in the Primeval Grotto which has small fragments/ore that contain the power of the Original Spirit, which was used to create an Origin Ball. Dialga and Palkia told Adaman and Irida respectively that the stone of creation's beginning can be used to catch Origin Palkia/ Dialga, so even they agree with Lian. This stone is also made up of a similar material to Arceus' plates, so its not hard to believe. If Arceus can imbue a 3D rock with Low 1-C power, he can give his avatar low 1-C power as well

Arceus’ plate contains the essence of all creation

Arceus' realm is accepted here to transcend space and time and is larger than them, as well as space and time being parts of Arceus, which means his realm is Low 1-C at the very least. His plates are imbued with the essence of all creation, which means that they scale to places that are Low 1-C. His avatars can use these plates, so Arceus’ avatars just scale to Low 1-C as well.

 

[Sniper670]

There's no amount of transcendence that will put any of its avatars on the same level as it because the OS holds R>F transcendence over the multiverse

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I disagree. There's no amount of transcendence that will put any of its avatars on the same level as it because the OS holds R>F transcendence over the multiverse

Nice job not reading the post

 

[Sniper670]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just a note about the whole low 1C thing about Arceus

The Heart (6D)> Avatar transcendent Realm (5D)> Hyperspace (4D)

 

[Robo432343]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just a note about the whole low 1C thing about Arceus

The Heart (6D)> Avatar transcendent Realm (5D)> Hyperspace (4D)

you literally just said you disagree

 

[Sniper670]

@XXKINGXX69 Oh nvm, I get why you said that. I forgot to remove the "I disagree"

 

[Sniper670]

After carefully reading your thread

A lot of people have this misconception that the Creation Trio is massively stronger in their true form, but they shouldn’t be. When their avatars were clashing, their own realms (their true forms) are included in the places they were almost destroying. And before you say “but how can the avatars be stronger than the true forms”, this doesn’t mean they are stronger than their true forms, just that their avatars can already almost destroy their true forms, making them equal or relative. If the avatars of the Creation Trio scale to their true forms, then its more evidence that Arceus’ avatar scales to his true form

If their True Forms are Time and Space itself, then they're not limited to their realms.

Yes Giratina is his realm, which is a realm that is the exact opposite both in nature and location to the entire Pokémon Multiverse. The CT embody the time and space of that opposition ie. The entire time and space of the Pokémon multiverse. They're not exclusive to their realm. So no, the CT didn't almost destroy their true forms

There are 3D objects with the Original One’s power

There is a rock in the Primeval Grotto which has small fragments/ore that contain the power of the Original Spirit, which was used to create an Origin Ball.

Nope. That's Arceus. The OS is an Arcetype, it does not involve itself in this. It does everything using its Avatar as proxy. Which is why even the creation of the multiverse was done using his Avatar.

Dialga and Palkia told Adaman and Irida respectively that the stone of creation's beginning can be used to catch Origin Palkia/ Dialga, so even they agree with Lian. This stone is also made up of a similar material to Arceus' plates, so its not hard to believe. If Arceus can imbue a 3D rock with Low 1-C power, he can give his avatar low 1-C power as well

Arceus gave humans psychic but they're not low 1C because of it. This is besides the fact that he is the source of the powers that Pokémon use.

Arceus’ plate contains the essence of all creation

Arceus' realm is accepted here to transcend space and time and is larger than them, as well as space and time being parts of Arceus, which means his realm is Low 1-C at the very least. His plates are imbued with the essence of all creation, which means that they scale to places that are Low 1-C. His avatars can use these plates, so Arceus’ avatars just scale to Low 1-C as well.

Same as above.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

After carefully reading your thread

If their True Forms are Time and Space itself, then they're not limited to their realms.

Yes Giratina is his realm, which is a realm that is the exact opposite both in nature and location to the entire Pokémon Multiverse. The CT embody the time and space of that opposition ie. The entire time and space of the Pokémon multiverse. They're not exclusive to their realm. So no, the CT didn't almost destroy their true forms

Nope. That's Arceus. The OS is an Arcetype, it does not involve itself in this. It does everything using its Avatar as proxy. Which is why even the creation of the multiverse was done using his Avatar.

Arceus gave humans psychic but they're not low 1C because of it. This is besides the fact that he is the source of the powers that Pokémon use.

Same as above.

Yes Giratina is his realm, which is a realm that is the exact opposite both in nature and location to the entire Pokémon Multiverse. The CT embody the time and space of that opposition ie. The entire time and space of the Pokémon multiverse. They're not exclusive to their realm. So no, the CT didn't almost destroy their true forms

But I just showed you a scan of them doing it

Nope. That's Arceus. The OS is an Arcetype, it does not involve itself in this. It does everything using its Avatar as proxy. Which is why even the creation of the multiverse was done using his Avatar.

What do you mean by "that's arceus"? Arceus is the original spirit and the rock has the power that made all of creation

Arceus gave humans psychic but they're not low 1C because of it. This is besides the fact that he is the source of the powers that Pokémon use.

Who said anything about low 1-C humans? What does him being the source of powers have to do with this? I think you just didn't understand the thread

 

[Sniper670]

But I just showed you a scan of them doing it

What were they doing? You're saying something different that the scans are saying

What do you mean by "that's arceus"? Arceus is the original spirit and the rock has the power that made all of creation

The Origin Ore is not what Liam was referring to. The Origin Ore is used to create the Origin Ball, which is the only way the CT origin forms can be caught. That's all it does.

Lian was referring to the Legend plate. Which has the essence of all creation, all encompassing all things.

Which is likely why Volo was going to give Arceus the plates in order to remake the entire universe.

Who said anything about low 1-C humans? What does him being the source of powers have to do with this? I think you just didn't understand the thread

I'm using that to prove to you that it having the power of Arceus doesn't necessarily make it low 1C. The pendant that the humans were using had Arceus power, that didn't make them low 1C.

 

[Sniper670]

Btw, Arceus Plates should be 5D. For being able to negate anything that comes from it, so it should handle the destruction of his realm just fine.

 

[theultimate5105]

His power can also warp his Low 1-C dimension and he can travel to and from his Low 1-C dimension and bring others there (speaking of which why does Arceus not have Low 1-C range)

 

[Sniper670]

I agree with you. We'll tackle that here.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

What were they doing? You're saying something different that the scans are saying

They were threatening to destroy their own realms in the scans I posted

The Origin Ore is not what Liam was referring to. The Origin Ore is used to create the Origin Ball, which is the only way the CT origin forms can be caught. That's all it does.

Liam was referring to the origin ore, the legend plate isn't a stone

I'm using that to prove to you that it having the power of Arceus doesn't necessarily make it low 1C. The pendant that the humans were using had Arceus power, that didn't make them low 1C.

Can you show me the scan of the pendant having his power so it will be easier to explain? This also doesn't just have "the power of arceus", its also the power he used to make all things, which includes his realm which is low 1-C. You didn't deny the legend plate being low 1-C so I take it as you agree?