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AP> HAX in dragon ball

Saintdhqhdy

Saintdhqhdy

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Honestly tired of seeing people say "Goku bypasses hax because in the show higher ap gives resistance".

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that be a weakness to the hax themselves instead of resistance on goku's part? If that's not the case still wouldn't AP>Hax only apply to dragon ball and not other verses? I'm actually pretty sure that's not how hax work in the first place.

Another thing I see is "goku is 4D so he resistance 3D hax" correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure having 4D AP does make him a 4D being, he is a 3D being with 4D ap.

Please someone help me, I need to know if I'm wrong or not.
 
This really doesn't even need a Thread, the only resistances Goku has is the ones on his profiles, being stronger doesn't give him anything. And the only Goku who is anything like 4D is Heroes Goku with the optional equipment Keysword.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
It’s not AP > Hax but stronger Ki > Hax. If you don’t use Ki then you’re not resisting anything.
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17 and 18 don't have Ki but Shenron still couldn't touch them without their consent,

I think AP in DB giving resist's has it's merits and there should be some extra resist's on the pages not happening on this wiki LOL
It's not like I would say Goku would no sell a hax that doesn't even exist in his verse though
 
Yes, limited is when it's not a complete resistance, Vegito* fits that with his resistance to transmutation, he didn't resist being transmuted, he just retained his consciousness.
 
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AP> Hax isn't a thing in Dragon Ball or at least not a universal rule.

Yeah Goku is 3D with 4D power.

And for the limited or full out right resistance to transmutation idk because because some other characters in other verses have gotten transmitted but still able to fight like Kirby.
 
Wait.
Goku is 3-D with 4-D power.
Hmm......
4-D is more then infinitely superior to 3-D...does that mean........................
..............................
...................................
GOKU IS A smurf???
 
Saintdhqhdy said:
Honestly tired of seeing people say "Goku bypasses hax because in the show higher ap gives resistance".

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that be a weakness to the hax themselves instead of resistance on goku's part? If that's not the case still wouldn't AP>Hax only apply to dragon ball and not other verses? I'm actually pretty sure that's not how hax work in the first place.
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Hax ignore AP & Durability usually, so if these Dragon Ball haxes can be resisted by being stronger, it's a weakness of the hax rather than a resistance to the character overpowering it.

Like imagine a scenario where Beerus fights a 2-A character with no EE resistance and Beerus is bloodlusted. Naturally Beerus erases him with no difficulty, but if being stronger does give resistance to hax in Dragon Ball, you might as well can say that he resists Beerus' erasure because it doesn't work on stronger beings than him, which is ridiculous since hax ignore durability by definition
 
Yes but that's the point. You can't have it both ways. Again imagine Beerus is fighting a 2-A with no resistance to EE. You can't have him both being hakai-ed by Beerus and having hakai doesn't work on stronger beings.

It's either hakai erasing people regardless of durability so the 2-A character is erased, and thus Goku, Vegeta and Frieza resists EE, or hakai doesn't work on stronger beings which means the 2-A character won't be erased despite his lack of resistance to EE and this would mean Goku, Vegeta and Frieza doesn't have a resistance to EE. You can't have it both ways
 
Then explain why hakai doesn't work on stronger characters than the user of the hakai (such as Vegeta resisting Toppo's hakai but can't resist Beerus' hakai, Golden Frieza resisting the hakai ball due to AP and Base Goku isn't able to resist the same ball due to AP difference)

Even ignoring hakai, Hit's time skip is also similar. Hit also can't freeze someone stronger than him as shown with Goku and Jiren.

Also resistance scaling just by being stronger only proves it's a weakness for the hax
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Then explain why hakai doesn't work on stronger characters than the user of the hakai (such as Vegeta resisting Toppo's hakai but can't resist Beerus' hakai, Golden Frieza resisting the hakai ball due to AP and Base Goku isn't able to resist the same ball due to AP difference)

Even ignoring hakai, Hit's time skip is also similar. Hit also can't freeze someone stronger than him as shown with Goku and Jiren.

Also resistance scaling just by being stronger only proves it's a weakness for the hax
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No, in Dragon Ball higher AP doesn't give you resistance. It's higher Ki which is a completely different thing. Higher Ki =/= Higher AP.

Higher Ki = More Strength
Higher Ki = More Hax Resistance
That doesn't mean More Strength = More Hax Resistance
 
I mean you are kinda contradicting yourself here.
More Ki and Power are correlated. Same with Ki and resistance. So Power and resistance must also correlate similarly.
So unless you can prove that the Power is somehow seperate from Ki then the power and resistance would correlate.
 
In Dragon Ball, ki is what gives people their strength, and that applies both to physical and ki attacks. The higher one's ki is, the stronger they are. This is how scouters and ki sensing work . They sense the amount of ki inside someone and use it to determine their strength. That would mean Ki = Strength/AP
 
If you're from another verse and you're stronger than Beerus but you have no ki then you're not resisting hakai unless you have EE resistance feats.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
If you're from another verse and you're stronger than Beerus but you have no ki then you're not resisting hakai unless you have EE resistance feats.
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And here comes verse equalization into play. Due to verse equalization, an opponent facing a Dragon Ball character will also have ki, and if they're stronger than them, they have more ki than the DB character

That would mean if you can resist EE by having more ki than the user, a stronger character with no feats of resisting EE wouls still resist the erasure simply because they're stronger
 
Verse equalization wouldn't do that, because it's not stated higher ki = resistance to hax, so it wouldn't apply to other verses because it needs to be stated.
It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, stated by at least a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.
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Regardless, this will never ever be accepted for Dragon Ball, the idea is laughable and there is so much counter evidence anyway, hax has worked on stronger characters many times.
 
Verse equalization wouldn’t give you Ki.
If you have a similar Ki-like ability, it would still interact with Ki but it would not gain all of the strengths and weaknesses of Ki.
 
Purgy said:
Verse equalization wouldn't do that, because it's not stated higher ki = resistance to hax, so it wouldn't apply to other verses because it needs to be stated.

Regardless, this will never ever be accepted for Dragon Ball, the idea is laughable and there is so much counter evidence anyway, hax has worked on stronger characters many times.
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Really? Show scans and not gonna trying to debate with you btw just want scans
 
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