Anya Forger Vs kiyotaka Ayanokouji (20-5-0)

[Rayfire]

she does not have the combat intelligence to land a hit on Koji. Koji is much more skilled than her. He can just parry and dodge till she runs out of stamina and defeat her after.

Anya isn't bloodlusted. Why would she constantly rush him and waste energy?

He can't apply that skill very well when he gets out-done in stats badly. Nothing he uses will do anything because of anya's dura lol. Most he'd be able to do is LS but unlike ayanokoji's other opponents in canon, he's not superior in speed like he was with ryuen if my knowledge of COTE is correct, so even if he gets anya on the ground and doesn't get one-tapped by some miracle, anya will bop him with a headbutt and he dies on the spot.

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah! parry that child that can turn your internal organs into red spray paint ayanokoji! cmon man, you can do it!1!1!!

Alright, you should probably relax.

 

[Rayfire]

Alright, you should probably relax.

Im jokin

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Anya can read minds, she will know exactly what Ayano's plan is and will just counter that. She's also stronger in AP & has been in dangerous situations before. I'm not super knowledgable on Spy x Family, but going off of just the profile it seems like she could kill Ayano pretty quickly before stamina becomes an issue. She sees exactly what Ayanokoji plans to do & counters it, boom, win for Anya

Voting for Anya

 

[Rayfire]

Is 10-3 enough for grace? I'm mostly an FC/OC guy so i'm not as familiar with how the vsb side works

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Is 10-3 enough for grace? I'm mostly an FC/OC guy so i'm not as familiar with how the vsb side works

7-3 was enough to start it

 

[Zabazab]

Voting Anya for telepathy + stats.

 

[Vzearr]

Anya can read minds, she will know exactly what Ayano's plan is and will just counter that.

That's not a reason why she should win, Ayano can predict all of her attacks, even if she reads his mind and changes her attacks position to match what he's planning to do, he would just switch up what he's planning to do in relation to what she plans to do, lets also not forget this wouldn't last long due to Anya's low stamina, and Ayanokouji's stamina advantage.
@RoggerReggor

 

[Dinozxd]

Yeah! parry that child that can turn your internal organs into red spray paint ayanokoji! cmon man, you can do it!1!1!!

The AP gap for a one shot is 8x as far as i remember. The gap here is like 5.6x.

Anya isn't bloodlusted. Why would she constantly rush him and waste energy?

Because she isn't a skilled fighter at all? Unskilled fighters mostly do waste energy trying to damage their opponent.

He can't apply that skill very well when he gets out-done in stats badly.

He wouldn't be outdone in AP if he doesn't get hit lol

Nothing he uses will do anything because of anya's dura lol.

He would figure that out fast and just try to outlast and wrestle her.

so even if he gets anya on the ground and doesn't get one-tapped by some miracle, anya will bop him with a headbutt and he dies on the spot.

That wouldn't be possible due to the difference in size and Koji's combat skills.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The AP gap for a one shot is 8x as far as i remember. The gap here is like 5.6x.

Nah, the 13.2Kj is with a Metal Baton, and Ayanokoji is emptyhanded.

 

[Vzearr]

anya will bop him with a headbutt and he dies on the spot.

This doesn't make sense, Anya's PUNCHES scale to 70 kj, not headbutts...

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

That's not a reason why she should win, Ayano can predict all of her attacks, even if she reads his mind and changes her attacks position to match what he's planning to do, he would just switch up what he's planning to do in relation to what she plans to do, lets also not forget this wouldn't last long due to Anya's low stamina, and Ayanokouji's stamina advantage.
@RoggerReggor

Ayano has no way of knowing that she knows what moves he's about to preform. By the time he does, she has already snapped his legs & arms with her AP advantage

And plus Anya can see inside of Ayano's mind so she'll know that he's predicting her moves & will just do something different. Not a very hard concept to grasp here. She'll always be 1 step ahead of Ayano because she knows exactly what he's about to do

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also, Why would Ayanokoji even take on Anya seriously? And again, how would Ayanokoji know enough about Anya to know she can mind-read him?

 

[Dinozxd]

Nah, the 13.2Kj is with a Metal Baton, and Ayanokoji is emptyhanded.

No it's not... His AP comes from this calc.

 

[Vzearr]

Ayano has no way of knowing that she knows what moves he's about to preform. By the time he does, she has already snapped his legs & arms with her AP advantage

He kinda doesn't need to know, he can predict what moves she's about to preform even if she decides to change what she's doing.

And plus Anya can see inside of Ayano's mind so she'll know that he's predicting her moves & will just do something different.

I just explained why this doesn't work.

 

[Rayfire]

The AP gap for a one shot is 8x as far as i remember. The gap here is like 5.6x.

That's just a general level for it, it's not fixed. a 5.6x gap will still leave ayanokoji pretty much out of the fight without regen hax or something like that. Try taking a hit that's 5.6x your level irl

Because she isn't a skilled fighter at all? Unskilled fighters mostly do waste energy trying to damage their opponent.

Anya has literally been taught by yor to some degree. I don't know too much about Spy x family but i do know she knows that swinging her arms around isn't how you fight. Look at what she did to damien.

He wouldn't be outdone in AP if he doesn't get hit lol

Which is only possible if he wants to not make progress, that won't help his case much

He would figure that out fast and just try to outlast and wrestle her.

And do that when she can read his mind and know exactly what's coming?

This doesn't make sense, Anya's PUNCHES scale to 70 kj, not headbutts...

If you want to be realistic, headbutts are actually pretty devastating, sometimes even more than a punch is.

 

[Vzearr]

If you want to be realistic, headbutts are actually pretty devastating, sometimes even more than a punch is.

Doesn't mean they scale to your punches.

 

[Rayfire]

Doesn't mean they scale to your punches.

What do you mean? Headbutts > Punches, i think that is very plausible if it's coming from the frickin UFC and also the fact that anya outstats massively either way backing it up. I don't think you could take a headbutt from someone 5.6x stronger than you, that's not realistic.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

He kinda doesn't need to know, he can predict what moves she's about to preform even if she decides to change what she's doing.

I just explained why this doesn't work.

You're saying that Ayanokoji's prediction abilities are better than someones that can litteraly see into your mind & knows exactly what you're going to do, and has done that exact thing with precognition users

Quit wanking his AnPr, he's not outpredicting someone that knows exactly what he's planning 100% of the time

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Bro is going to lose to a literal child. lmao

 

[Vzearr]

What do you mean? Headbutts > Punches, i think that is very plausible if it's coming from the frickin UFC and also the fact that anya outstats massively either way backing it up. I don't think you could take a headbutt from someone 5.6x stronger than you, that's not realistic.

It's pure maths, head butts don't produce as much joules as a punch.

You're saying that Ayanokoji's prediction abilities are better than someones that can litteraly see into your mind & knows exactly what you're going to do, and has done that exact thing with precognition users

That's not what I'm saying, I'll reiterate it for you one more time.

If Anya see's what Ayanokouji is going to do, she will change what she's going to do, but then Ayanokouji would change what he's going to do, this will go on for time and time until Anya gets tired and Ayanokouji lands a punch, realising he can't hurt her, he would then incapacitate her.

 

[Huesito88]

Am I not reading Kouji profile right? Or doesn't he have 49.3 KJ for durability?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Am I not reading Kouji profile right? Or doesn't he have 49.3 KJ for durability?

It's a possibly, but I have no idea where they got that number from?

Likely missed from a downgrade.

 

[Vzearr]

It's a possibly, but I have no idea where they got that number from?

Likely missed from a downgrade.

Kouenji jumps a mountain: Classroom of the Elite

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[Huesito88]

It's a possibly, but I have no idea where they got that number from?

Likely missed from a downgrade.

Doesn't matter if it's a possibly for matches (and you can't restrict it either for Stonewall type characters)

 

[Dinozxd]

That's just a general level for it, it's not fixed. a 5.6x gap will still leave ayanokoji pretty much out of the fight without regen hax or something like that. Try taking a hit that's 5.6x your level irl

Assuming she can land a hit.

Anya has literally been taught by yor to some degree. I don't know too much about Spy x family but i do know she knows that swinging her arms around isn't how you fight. Look at what she did to damien.

Damien is a rich kid with no combat skill nor experience and their "fight" was just Anya ko'ing him with a punch. Knowing how to throw a punch does not make you a skilled fighter, it makes you an average fighter at best. Ayanokouji claimed that he could dodge attacks from skilled martial artists with his eyes closed.

And do that when she can read his mind and know exactly what's coming?

She does not have the combat skill necessary to make use of her telepathy.

 

[Rayfire]

Damien is a rich kid with no combat skill nor experience and their "fight" was just Anya ko'ing him with a punch. Knowing how to throw a punch does not make you a skilled fighter, it makes you an average fighter at best. Ayanokouji claimed that he could dodge attacks from skilled martial artists with his eyes closed.

I never said she could outskill him at all dude. I just said she's smart enough to not waste energy which is, like, one of koji's only wincons lol, AND that's if he can even damage her, which he still can't.

She does not have the combat skill necessary to make use of her telepathy.

But she does have the telepathy to make combat skill completely pointless. Seeing everything your opponent is going to do good against that especially if they are haxless

It's pure maths, head butts don't produce as much joules as a punch.

Imagine you encounter someone irl who is huge and thus by nature 5.6x stronger than you, and they headbutt you as hard as they can. Are you getting up? probably not man. Either way, ayanokoji is not going to handle it.

That's not what I'm saying, I'll reiterate it for you one more time.

If Anya see's what Ayanokouji is going to do, she will change what she's going to do, but then Ayanokouji would change what he's going to do, this will go on for time and time until Anya gets tired and Ayanokouji lands a punch, realising he can't hurt her, he would then incapacitate her.

How on earth will either of them be wasting stamina if they don't even attack, by that logic? Also, ayanokoji has no way of knowing about anya's telepathy anyway, his info analysis only extends to strength & skill, so intuition won't really apply on that front to begin with. He'll be clueless to it

 

[Vzearr]

How on earth will either of them be wasting stamina if they don't even attack, by that logic?

Standing in and of itself makes you tired over time, thinking also makes you tired, Koji is better equiped here.

Also, ayanokoji has no way of knowing about anya's telepathy anyway, his info analysis only extends to strength & skill, so intuition won't really apply on that front to begin with. He'll be clueless to it

This changes nothing, whether he knows or not doesn't matter.

 

[Huesito88]

Kouenji jumps a mountain: Classroom of the Elite

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I guess that makes Koji technically a stonewall character

 

[Rayfire]

This changes nothing, whether he knows or not doesn't matter.

Bro, when has koji ever dealt with someone with supernatural mind-reading powers This is kind of the difference between intuition and what is basically precognition. Ayanokoji has no reason to expect someone to be able to read his mind at all, and thats a disadvantage no matter what

Standing in and of itself makes you tired over time, thinking also makes you tired, Koji is better equiped here.

Just because you are tired doesn't mean you can't still swing, that happens all the time in MMA and boxing. Anya does have mid stamina, yeah, but saying that ayanokoji won't still get killed the second he gets close to anya is baffling.

 

[Dinozxd]

I never said she could outskill him at all dude. I just said she's smart enough to not waste energy which is, like, one of koji's only wincons lol, AND that's if he can even damage her, which he still can't.

Got any scans to back up that she is smart enough to not waste energy in a fight? Her combat iq isn't even listed on her page lol that literally points out her lack of feats in that area. Has she ever been in a 1v1 combat situation ever to begin with?

Also you don't just waste stamina by getting damaged you know. Ayanokouji doesn't have to attack her to tire her out.

But she does have the telepathy to make combat skill completely pointless. Seeing everything your opponent is going to do good against that especially if they are haxless

How does telepathy help aganist an opponent who can dodge attacks from skilled martial artists with his eyes closed?


Also I don't understand the "Koji has no way of knowing Anya's telepathy" argument. Precognition isn't a hax you can really hide. Ayanokouji can just see her moving before he attacks and figure out she has some kind of precognitive ability or an ability that helps her read his movements or something. That observation can be made by a character with above average combat iq and we're talking about an E.G fighter here.

 

[Rayfire]

Got any scans to back up that she is smart enough to not waste energy in a fight? Her combat iq isn't even listed on her page lol that literally points out her lack of feats in that area. Has she ever been in a 1v1 combat situation ever to begin with?

Here's anya's profile explaining her street smarts & resourcefulness

She has been shown on numerous occasions to have a decent level of street smarts, saving Loid from potential death and convincing a group of people that Yor and the chain assassin were street performers, using her resourcefulness and quick thinking skills.

While not really a fight, she's used her telepathy in situations that require her to avoid things such as homing attacks, and allowing her to casually outskill the best dodgeball player in her school, and she also does have knowledge of fighting to some degree.

(Has been taught by Yor some early basic self-defense. According to the Spy x Family: The Official Guide - Eyes Only, some other moves that Yor taught Anya are Star Catcher Arrow, Rising Hope, Shin Kick, and Eye Poke)

It's pretty obvious she's smart enough to not just start swinging wildly and waste energy dude, it's pretty much undeniable atp

How does telepathy help aganist an opponent who can dodge attacks from skilled martial artists with his eyes closed?


Also I don't understand the "Koji has no way of knowing Anya's telepathy" argument. Precognition isn't a hax you can really hide. Ayanokouji can just see her moving before he attacks and figure out she has some kind of precognitive ability or an ability that helps her read his movements or something. That observation can be made by a character with above average combat iq and we're talking about an E.G fighter here.

When telepathy isn't a thing in COTE and analytical prediction runs wild amongst white room students? I doubt he's coming to a conclusion like that. I might not know much about COTE beyond watching season 1 a couple yeas ago, but i don't think ayanokoji believes in the supernatural.

Let's not forget that analytical prediction isn't even a "Haha, i know everything you're gonna do before you do it!!!" like telepathy would entail or precognition. Intuition is based on instinct and experience, and Here's ayanokoji getting pinned to a wall when he's facing ryuen. Didn't save him then, did it? Maybe i'm just not very big on COTE at all but i think his prediction is being overhyped when compared to literal mind-reading

Either way, there is simply no chance he gets past the AP gap. I'll keep my vote on anya

 

[Vzearr]

Just because you are tired doesn't mean you can't still swing, that happens all the time in MMA and boxing. Anya does have mid stamina, yeah, but saying that ayanokoji won't still get killed the second he gets close to anya is baffling.

When you're tired you get slower...

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Let's see here, Telepathy does not change anything here at all, Koji has dodged sneak attacks from point blank before on people who is comparable to a holding back Koji (and while he was dehydrated, hungry and tired)

Next, LN is the primary canon, Koji in character does not allow attacks even from weaker opponents than him, Also, Why are we ignoring the fact that Koji has info analysis and can measure how strong Anya is with a glance?

Unless the OP restricts Koji's 49 KJ dura, he will have it so, he is more than capable of tanking Anya's attacks anytime and will outlast her anytime he wants, More so, Koji has endured hell in the WR being beaten has a kid for years against adults professional martial artists who had no qualms in sending woman or children to the hospital, so basically Koji can handle attacks stronger than himself easily

Anya has little to no martial arts experience, Koji obliterates here, we all agree here yeah?

Next, Primal seems to underestimate Koji's ANPR, Koji has predicted attacks with intuition alone against sneak attacks and point blank, Upscales the WR ANPR gigantically, Body movement, Trajectories, intentions and alot more

Koji also never underestimated his opponents as it is not in character for him to do so as well

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also although it's not telepathy, He has fought someone who could read 99% of his mind with cold reading (Tsukishiro), it may help idk

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

None of these votes should count bruh what. They are just random "For reasons above" votes with no reason. The only argument i can see is this:

His AD doesn't make him physically stronger, but it helps him adapt to fighting situations much faster. He can outlast Anya due to the stamina gap and dodge her attacks due to the combat skill gap while trying to find a way around her telepathy. Anya's only wincon is her AP advantage which won't even come handy as she won't be able to even land hits.

literally her profile states that she has dealt with someone with precog before, my vote remains fra

 

[XxZetsuxX]

literally her profile states that she has dealt with someone with precog before, my vote remains fra

Are they even 1% as skilled as Koji?? If not then it doesn't matter

 

[Huesito88]

literally her profile states that she has dealt with someone with precog before, my vote remains fra

The durability Satella....

 

[Rayfire]

When you're tired you get slower...

Are you trying to say we're supposed to calc how strong/fast characters are when they are tired? How do we do that? Either way, that's simply not happening:

Here's anya's profile explaining her street smarts & resourcefulness
While not really a fight, she's used her telepathy in situations that require her to avoid things such as homing attacks, and allowing her to casually outskill the best dodgeball player in her school, and she also does have knowledge of fighting to some degree.
It's pretty obvious she's smart enough to not just start swinging wildly and waste energy dude, it's pretty much undeniable atp

Are they even 1% as skilled as Koji?? If not then it doesn't matter

Telepathy counters skill lol, it's basically precog at that point. You also can't outskill a one-shot or someone you literally can't even hurt

Unless the OP restricts Koji's 49 KJ dura, he will have it so, he is more than capable of tanking Anya's attacks anytime and will outlast her anytime he wants

The durability Satella....

I have explained above why the latter isn't an option at all earlier

Even if that's the case, 13.2 KJ isn't doing crap to anya either, and enough hits will still kill koji.

 

[Rayfire]

Bro, when has koji ever dealt with someone with supernatural mind-reading powers This is kind of the difference between intuition and what is basically precognition. Ayanokoji has no reason to expect someone to be able to read his mind at all, and thats a disadvantage no matter what

^ Feel like this should be re-iterated to everyone who's just dropped in