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R1; Both with full power, enraged.
R2: Speed Equalised
Votes:
Madoka: 4
Anti-Monitor: 2
R2: Speed Equalised
Votes:
Madoka: 4
Anti-Monitor: 2
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reasoning?SSJSSGGOKU said:Anti-monitor stomps
Couldn't have put it better myself.SomebodyData said:Madoka first round via speed (Under the assumption that Anti-Monitor was around Peak Flash's speed)
Madoka second round via concept manipulation with very high dif (Really that concept manipulation is the only little advantage Madoka has lol)
Hmmm, but then wouldn't the despair have to rival the hope from Madoka? The gap wouldn't be solvable by simple wraiths, it would have to be something that would be the contrast to both Goddess Madoka and witches.DontTalk said:Stuff
Wait what? Isn't Madoka faster?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:R1: Don't know if AM can hit Madoka, don't know if Madoka can kill AM.
R2: Probably AM due to vastly superior combat-related powers.
She is. That's why I said I don't know if AM could hit her.SomebodyData said:Wait what? Isn't Madoka faster?
can you name a few?
I'm sorry but what does Anti-Monitor have that Madoka doesn't?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:R2: Probably AM due to vastly superior combat-related powers.
The fact that most of his abilities are more suited for combat, and that he can actually take direct effect on reality.Ryukama said:I'm sorry but what does Anti-Monitor have that Madoka doesn't?
"Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Invulnerability, Energy Manipulation, Transmutation, Anti-Matter Manipulation, Reality Manipulation, Time Manipulation, immortality"
Besides transmutation Madoka has all of those abilites. Plus more like " Intangibility, Telepathy, Familiar Summoning, Magic Resistence, Mind Manipulation Resistence"
The paradox part came from the fact that she killed her own future witch self, while Kyubey does mention the probelm of so much hope, it is never touched upon completely, in fact Madoka essentially prevented the despair that would be brought by her witch before it spreads it, meaning that as per the Law of Hope and Despair in Madoka Magica, that despair requirement has yet to be fulfilledDontTalk said:I also don't remember anything about heaven, so I also can not really say much to that. And mind erasure is a long shot from reality warping, but why did she do that again? I mean all minds were erased when she pardoxed out of existence. This is from the movie with the isolation zone, right? Wasn't that also related to her wish than, since she used the fact that some still knew her, as she needed that help to deal with homuras soul gem, or am I misremembering that?
I don't think anyone said she couldn't?SomebodyData said:Also why does speed equalize assume that AM can touch Madoka, but that speed unequalized means that Madoka cant touch AM? The fact that she cant interact really doesn't have anything to do with her speed...
Also, aren't we using the standard, "Madoka can touch X and X can touch Madoka"?
Natse's responce, though I assumed that you also meant that when you said Madoka wouldn't kill AM, (why wouldn't she btw?)Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:I don't think anyone said she couldn't?
Couldn't. Not wouldn't. Which had nothing to do with her being unable to interact with him. Just me not being sure she could actually get rid of him, for good.SomebodyData said:Natse's responce, though I assumed that you also meant that when you said Madoka wouldn't kill AM, (why wouldn't she btw?)
The fact that literally nothing so far has actually killed him. He survived the COIE. He survived being a Black Lantern power battery for years and years and years. He survived Prime betraying him when he was incredibly weakened. He even survived the multiverse resetting (N52).SomebodyData said:Sorry for not being more specific and not focusing on the more bigger DC comic events, but what abilities exactly prevent Madoka from killing him?
That kinda sounds like a NLF? A multiverse resetting sounds something a 2-A character should be able to do. A 4-D being should be able to withstand being the source of energy for 3-D items for quite a while (Just look at the difference in energy required to destroy a universe and to destroy a multiverse), even when extremely weakened.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:The fact that literally nothing so far has actually killed him. He survived the COIE. He survived being a Black Lantern power battery for years and years and years. He survived Prime betraying him when he was incredibly weakened. He even survived the multiverse resetting (N52).
I don't know how that's a NLF. Another 2-A character beat up on AM for a while and he was perfectly fine. Madoka hasn't demonstrated anything impressive enough to kill him off, which is why I'm unsure.SomebodyData said:That kinda sounds like a NLF? A multiverse resetting sounds something a 2-A character should be able to do. A 4-D being should be able to withstand being the source of energy for 3-D items for quite a while (Just look at the difference in energy required to destroy a universe and to destroy a multiverse), even when extremely weakened.