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Ganondorf used the Trident to transform in FSA.
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Nah man, no worries.I'll give a more coherent reply in a few days @Warren_Valion if that sounds good. I'm sick at the moment and don't have the persistence to do a full discussion at the moment.
Unless you think that the Light World is just Earth floating in the Void and the GGs are only 5-B for creating multiple planets, which is contradicted by starry skies showing us that space does exist around Earth and like a dozen tier 4 feats done by infinitely weaker characters, it's very obvious that by the "world" the GGs created, it means they created Hyrule/Earth and everything else in creation.I'm ok with the Triforce being 4-A via scaling to the Wind Fish, but I don't really buy 3-A via world statements. Mostly because the whole clip on the creation of hyrule, they refer to the "world" as the earth that they're creating. Nothing in the context of OoT's triforce origins remotely mentions the world being anything universal, and I double checked on the 3DS version of OoT and they didn't really change the dialogue. They still refer to the "world" as Earth, and not the universe. So I'm ok with 4-A Triforce.
As for the whole empowering triforce thing, where are those scans regarding the whole "Ganon gets stronger thanks to the triforce helping him" comes from? Cause Zelda ain't exactly new when it comes to retconning some established lore for older games, cough Master Sword being made by the people of Hyrule cough
Nope terminal has always been considered an alternate universe what was debunked was "If skull kid destroyed termina (universe) our the planet/land"Wasn't Termina debunked the last thread in terms of being an alternate universe?
Yup plus universal mindhax and madness manip since he corruptes the universe with just his mind or something like that(but what happened to the realm he created in the moon?)Termina was confirmed to be a Universe, but there's just no evidence Majora actually created it. But Universal+ range is something Majora still has.
Apologies that it took so long to reply btw. My sickness lasted a couple of days after I said that, and I had forgotten about this thread until a friend brought it up.You do realize that none of these scans are on the profiles or are currently used on them as the proof for these claims, right?
These scans actually do provide evidence of your claims, but they should be on the profiles.
Except this one doesn't prove that it boosted Ganon's power - just that Ganon used the Triforce to make an Evil wish. But the other two work since they directly imply that Ganon's power is boosted by the Triforce, instead of circumstantial nonsense like, "He's the owner" or "he made a bad wish".
Where did you get these scans btw? Like which guide? How credible is that source?
And are you serious with this quote? His "laugh" being heard throughout Hyrule, transcending time and space?
This doesn't say much of anything at all. It also doesn't say it's because of the Triforce amping up his power either, just that the Triforce was going to grant his wish, so he laughed.
Most people seem to agree with the Triforce's new universal justifications, but they don't particularly agree with the second section of saying that Link and Ganon from A Link to the Past don't scale to it.The first post seems to make sense to me, but I am not the best person to ask.
What are the conclusions so far here?
Yes, I am serious with that quote. The laugh isn't what transcends space-time either. Ganon does that while he is transcending space-time. Not only does it show his transformation into his pig form (aligning with the Hyrule Encyclopedia entry), but he only transcended space-time because of the Triforce. I'm not sure how that wouldn't show Ganondorf's amplification upfront.
Perfect! The thread is conclused then.Now that I have seen proof, I am in support of it - since there are scans saying as such.
The version you gave would literally illustrate the same point, as it still includes "heard throughout Hyrule." The laugh itself isn't what only transcends space-time is the point, Ganon does as well."After the leader touched Triforce with his bloodied hand, the spirit of the crest whispered. 'You, if you have a wish, that is my wish as well.' The leader laughed, heard throughout the Hyrule, transcending time and space. His name is Ganondorf, the nickname of Demon King Ganon."
It's not, "the leader, heard throughout Hyrule, transcended space and time", it's the leader laughed, which was heard throughout Hyrule as it was transcending space and time because it was heard in a different reality.
At best this is maybe a statement determining range, maybe, at best? And at worst, and most likely, just flowery nonsense.
Honestly, this quote is ridiculous and it shouldn't be used for anything - push the facts and direct statements that support your narrative, not verbal fluff like this.
I heavily disagree with this. Link should still completely scale to Ganon w/ the Full Triforce in A Link to the Past. The Master Sword specifically amplifies its wielder, and the version of the Master Sword this Link uses, the Golden Master Sword, is noted to be the strongest version of it. Going by how the Master Sword works and the specific iteration this version uses, Link winning is something that makes sense. He has a version of the Master Sword that most of the other Links cannot even compare to. If you have the context that this is a ridiculously empowered Link from an amp that others do not have, there is literally no reason to label it as an outlier.What this all clearly states is that the idea that The Master Sword repels the Triforce's magic is made up by the North American translation team, and in actuality, what the Master Sword repels is evil.
This is, in retrospect, obvious, since it is the Blade of Evil's Bane. It's meant to be a weapon that repels and kills evil.
What does this mean? Well, this would affect the Master Sword's Powers and Abilities section a bit, but I think that topic should be for a different future thread as it goes off-topic from this thread's topic, which is the Full Triforce.
As for what this means for this thread, mainly, that Link beating Ganon should likely be considered an outlier. And Link scaling to Ganon, and therefore the Full Triforce, is factitious as Link shouldn't have been capable of winning this fight at all, and if he did win the fight, it is due to a weakness of Ganon, not Link's strength, and thus, he shouldn't scale to the Full Triforce.
You should try bookmarking this page:I didn't get notifications for my own thread.
Nice.