Another Jiren/Goku DBS CRT / Clarification

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Goku putting up any sort of resistance to infinite zamasu is pis, he got stomped by a far weaker version of zamasu.

Goku and jiren shock an infinite void, zeno completely destroyed universes including their space-time, nobody besides infinite zamasu who literally fused with the universe and zeno who was stated to be able to destroy all of existence, has shown any space-time feat on a universal scale.

Scaling jiren off shin's statement is shaky imo, and requires more proof especially since we are dealing with putting characters infintely above where they currently are.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

While im sure we can all agree that the Grand Priest is likely stronger than Infinite Zamasu, he lacks the feats to prove it.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

1. Making a single energy blast, failing, and not doing anything else is not considered a fight at all. Thats just attacking one time and not doing anything else. They tried to stop him but couldnt for he was becoming one with the universe. Also destroying buildings is even remotely impressive how? Furthermore Goku and Vegeta were already too weak to do anything since by becoming SSB Vegito they used up all their power, so how can this even be considered a legitimate encounter from that point onward?

2. Same thing. Also we consider them tanking an attack from IZ at all massive PIS (or at least thats what ive been told). So unless this is wrong, this point here is moot.

3. Okay but thats not exactly overpowering him. Im told Fusion Zamasu still curbstomped him regardless. Is this true (havent watched the Zamasu arc in a while so memory can be wrong)?

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Yo, slightly off topic, but shouldn't Jiren get Attack Reflection? He did reflect the Spirit Bomb back at Goku.

 

[Golden_Void]

I'm pretty sure anyone strong enough would have attack reflection then, though he was stated to have done it with willpower.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Still, he did something not even Frieza or Kid Buu were able to.

 

[Golden_Void]

Buu did push it back, then Goku got replenished from the dragon balls.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Still, something that should be worth noting.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Goku putting up any sort of resistance to infinite zamasu is pis, he got stomped by a far weaker version of zamasu.
Goku and jiren shock an infinite void, zeno completely destroyed universes including their space-time, nobody besides infinite zamasu who literally fused with the universe and zeno who was stated to be able to destroy all of existence, has shown any space-time feat on a universal scale.

Scaling jiren off shin's statement is shaky imo, and requires more proof especially since we are dealing with putting characters infintely above where they currently are.

Indeed, I would like to point out that if we take Shin's statements into consideration then Merged Zamasu is stronger than Beerus since he and Gowasu said they have never seen a light so powerful like him and that his power expanded to no end with the fusion. That means High 3A Merged Zamasu.

Also Infinate Zamasu worried Beerus and Whis. Only Zeno could stop him. Not the case with Jiren who is not even Angel level.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Merged Zamasu isn't High 3-A, his power expanding to no end is clearly hyperbole, we have seen such statements so many times in dragon ball before to describe strong enemies, and there is nothing definitively stated about him being stronger than beerus either.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Celestial

I think he's saying that would happen IF we took Shins statement as legitimate before waiting for more evidence.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Merged Zamasu isn't High 3-A, his power expanding to no end is clearly hyperbole, we have seen such statements so many times in dragon ball before to describe strong enemies, and there is nothing definitively stated about him being stronger than beerus either.

They have never seen a light so powerful like him. What I am trying to say is that Shin's statements are hyperholes. Also, for the matter if Merged Zamasu or Vegito are High 3A that's another story...

 

[AKM sama]

I also think we should wait for round 2 of Goku vs Jiren before anymore upgrades.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hthis is all super annoying and repetitive at this point.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@KOMI I see, anyway, we would be working with too many assumptions here, and no direct proof.

 

[ALRF]

I don't believe we should jump now on to another upgrade now.

Waiting for new episodes is the best thing to do, as this post relies on, as Celestial said, assumptions.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I would rather this thread be closed and we wait.

 

[AKM sama]

I am just throwing it out there. By scaling they should be upgraded to low 2-C. I mean the requirement for low 2-C is creating/destroying universal spacetime continuums.

- Vegeta has destroyed the whole RoSaT twice.

- Goku destroyed Hit's parallel dimension.

- Kale destroyed Cocotte's dimension.

I know these were pretty small dimensions, but it shows that:

> they are capable of destrying spacetime continuums

> they have universal range since BoG, and now Jiren and Goku shook an infinite void which also proves that at least Jiren and Goku have universal range.

> now they have got scaling on their side via a statement from Shin, who saw all the events invoving Infinite Zamasu first hand.


So if they are capable of doing so to a finite dimension, and they have universal range, shouldn't they be able to destroy a universal spacetime continnum (which is the requirement of low 2-C) when even the scaling suggests so?

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With all that said, I personally think we should wait before upgrading them based on 1 statement. Maybe we will get more information in round 2 when Jiren actually gets serious. Who knows what will happen, maybe their fight will rip away the WoV...Notice how Goku's eyes looks like Whis'/GP's or angel's eyes and Goku has that Oozaru voice. This might turn into something big.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

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Yeah someone please close this. We should very well wait and see what happens.

 

[FateAlbane]

As I see it, there's a good possibility of something like Low 2-C (not sure on 2-C) but for now I believe it should be best to wait until the end of the saga so we get everything.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

I am just throwing it out there. By scaling they should be upgraded to low 2-C. I mean the requirement for low 2-C is creating/destroying universal spacetime continuums. [/B]
- Vegeta has destroyed the whole RoSaT twice.

- Goku destroyed Hit's parallel dimension.

- Kale destroyed Cocotte's dimension.

I know these were pretty small dimensions, but it shows that:

> they are capable of destrying spacetime continuums

> they have universal range since BoG, and now Jiren and Goku shook an infinite void which also proves that at least Jiren and Goku have universal range.

> now they have got scaling on their side via a statement from Shin, who saw all the events invoving Infinite Zamasu first hand.


So if they are capable of doing so to a finite dimension, and they have universal range, shouldn't they be able to destroy a universal spacetime continnum (which is the requirement of low 2-C) when even the scaling suggests so?

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With all that said, I personally think we should wait before upgrading them based on 1 statement. Maybe we will get more information in round 2 when Jiren actually gets serious. Who knows what will happen, maybe their fight will rip away the WoV...Notice how Goku's eyes looks like Whis'/GP's or angel's eyes and Goku has that Oozaru voice. This might turn into something big.

That will also make Merged Zamasu and Vegito low 2C.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Cloooose.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@AKM sama just because you have the range, and have shown some small scale space-time feats doesn't mean you can destroy an entire space-time continuum.

We need proof of this first before doing anything, again we are talking about putting the characters literally infinitely above their current tiering, this is just getting repetitive at this point, we need further proof before anything else happens.

 

[Pannaliciour]

By the way, where did Goku go en came from the moment he got suck into the spirit bomb thing? Was he like gone or something? And where did he come from (when he returned) isn't that like a feat or something?

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

^I am also wondering about that

 

[Dark649]

Agree with Matthew and Celestial.

- While Goku and Beerus were going to destroy the not-infinite sized U7, the space-time was not implied to be destroyed and it remains even the universe remained a void.

- Same for Beerus and Champa even if Vegeta was shown to destroy space-time on a planetary size, it's still not stated if they can do the same on a universal size.

- Destroying alternate dimensions [From Hit and Cocotte] is not quantificable.

- Shin statement is shacky like Pegasus said.