Another DBH revision (with new points)

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

If they do transcend the Multiverse as Blue says it, i do not mind 2-A DBH .

 

[Bluetrekking]

I would say "2-B likely 2-A" for good measure.

 

[PaChi2]

The stats you see in the Undertale game proper don't even reflect the actual stats that the game has in the programming. The ones in-game are purely for the sake of the experience, and there was even a patch whose only update was to change some of the Stat Numbers, so Toby Fox clearly cares at least somewhat for it.

So Asriel having a stat of infinity isn't even game mechanics, it's just what's intended.

I mean, according to @Bluetreking you are not supposed to play with Zeno's card, its just a way to address how Zeno powerscales to the ohers. Grand priest has a ????, if you can play with that, call it game mechanics.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Guys, guys, guys.


I know how much you are against upgrading Dragon Ball and all, but listen to the guy before just saying "lol no", okay?


seriously.

 

[Ryukama]

Some user asked me to copy paste this into the thread. I'm not arguing for it or saying I agree with it. Just putting this there for the user.

"https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/764igghqPB9 Chronoa 3-A or low 2-C

If not, Demigra base is low 2-C not 4-A because he's stronger Kid Buu who destroyed a timeline with Towa's energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7sONFCxrTk [4:30-4:45]. Which is backs up Supreme Kai of time being low 2-C since they fought long ago

https://imgur.com/a/dmIDP "Infinite History!"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonBallOnline "Seemingly *Infinite timelines*

https://imgur.com/a/vDwpS https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/CXh9MdmhsFj https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/AVWBufebghC https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/UHRqqajrBds https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/EhD7DgSY6cY https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/jM25T8iQxSp https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/NvFyxMjKqu1 https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/53BdYVttztw https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/9keefbr2owJ https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/G1QAzMHQFXM

Every other game franchise of Dragon Ball is in the DBH continuity. All the statements and feats apply. The patrollers "Infinite possibilities" also does. Because in DBH the possibilities were overlapping.

Last thing quickly, Demigra wasn't going to destroy the DBH Multiverse. It was Towa, she warped the DBH Multiverse and the "Real world" when she died, Demigra stole her powers and proceeded to collapse the DBH multiverse and the real world. So Towa should be whatever tier you guys decide to put Demigra at, because he is doing it with her powers that are his now. This was without absorbing Toki-Toki. Also, the world of void in DBH has space and time. It's a singular space-time structure that is infinite in size.

If Infinite timelines is accepted.

Toki-Toki is the embodiment of the infinite 4-D multiverse.

Demigra would become infinitely more powerful after absoribing him

EDIT: To Turbo Triangle: Beerus is stronger than Demon God Demigra, so she is not comparable to the Gods of Destruction. Since Demigra is at least 2-B"

 

[TurboTriangle601]

@Ryu

Seems reasonable to me considering it has some strong evidence but a Supreme Kai (maybe) comparable to a God of Destruction let alone Low 2-C? I know Zamasu was a extremely strong Supreme Kai but yeesh.

i am questioning quite a bit i know.

 

[Antvasima]

Do the rest of the staff have this thread under control, or should we ask Azathoth for input? He is the Dragon Ball game expert.

 

[Bluetrekking]

Yes, we should contact him. I will do so now.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Staff seem to have this under control but calling Azathoth might be a good idea.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[PaChi2]

>Contact Azathoth

>Expect this to be aproved.

Something is wrong there ovo.

 

[AKM sama]

Since there is a clear indication that game Zeno is infinitely stronger than any other tier 2, I agree with 2-A Zeno. (Are we arguing 2-A or High 2-A?)

Not so sure about scaling Demigra to Zeno, because if we go according to your point, Zamasu was sure that he will get rid of all ningens and he was not afraid of anybody, despite the fact that there was a Zeno! You know where I'm going with this, right?

 

[Bluetrekking]

@AKM the difference is that Zamasu was killing all ningens while Demigra was destroying the multiverse.

 

[AKM sama]

And they both weren't thinking about the after-effects of their doings. Zamasu didn't think for once, that Zeno could come and wipe him out. I think same can be said about Demigra.

 

[Kaltias]

Following because I want to see Azzy debunking this

Are the stats on the cards consistent with the established power levels?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think that we can scale from a card game.

 

[Bluetrekking]

I do not think that we can scale from a card game.

But those are not cards for a game, they are for scaling.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we tend to disregard such out of story statistics in any case.

 

[Bluetrekking]

Well, it does make sense in terms of characters and lines up pretty well with what has been shown.

 

[Antvasima]

We only know that Zen'o can destroy at least a dozen universes at once. An infinite amount would be speculation, and a card is less reliable than an official handbook, which we also tend to use very sparingly.

 

[Bluetrekking]

BUT what you are referencing is canon zen'o. In DBH almost all characters are stronger like omega shenRon destroying time lines which would be 2 degrees of infinity compared to what he has previously shown. Having Zeno infinite times stronger as supported by an official power scale is fathomable

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree. We cannot scale from the non-canon DB Heroes.

 

[Bluetrekking]

But we are not scaling super from heroes. No one said we were. We are scaling heroes to heroes. If anything, Ant was trying to scale Heroes to Super.

 

[Bluetrekking]

The scale shown was for scaling heroes , so I don't understand bringing up the canonocity.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. If you do not wish to use the cards to scale anime Zen'o, I suppose that I misunderstood. I manage lots of different tasks at once.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You're still right, Ant...kinda. We're not taking those cards seriously. Ever brought up a great point with Arceus above. Also, this is different than Asriel, as CHECK stats have different importance.

Plus, keep in mind that the 2-C/Low 2-C characters have finite numbers compared to 4-B characters. And the gap between said numbers isn't even enough to push them into tier 3-B.

 

[Antvasima]

So, is Azathoth's evaluation necessary here, or should we close this thread?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Azzy doesn't need to come.

 

[Bluetrekking]

BUT Ever's point was game mechanics. These cards are for scaling.

I am not sure what you are referencing in your second point .

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Your argument of 2-A Zen'ō hinges on how his stats are infinite compared to other tier 2 characters, when in contrast, the tier 2 characters are not infinite compared to tier 4 characters.

 

[Antvasima]

Alright, are the other staff members also fine with if I close this thread, or is there something left to handle here?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Again, your referencING Super and Heroes does not scale to super. You are assuming since they are 4B in super they are 4B in Heroes

 

[Kaltias]

@Cal

That's actually possible if the power growth isn't linear (just like power levels)

 

[Bluetrekking]

Why do people have the assumption that Heroes characters are no stronger than in Super ? On Demigra s page it even states that it does not scale.

 

[Bluetrekking]

And how do CHECK stats have more importance than things that have no other point but to scale.

 

[AKM sama]

ummm do we even have a game Zeno profile?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Nope.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

He was making a point for Game Zeno... Not Super Zeno.

 

[Dark649]

He was making a point for Game Zeno... Not Super Zeno.

We disagree with making a profile which is the same as the Super version, but only stronger.