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Hello. This CRT was created to discuss and possibly revise certain parts of Anos Voldigoad's Magic Eye(s) of Chaotic Destruction (MEoCD).
I specifically want to discuss the following part of Anos' MEoCD:
Here is the relevant scan for the above feat that is used as an example (and justification):
An explanation of the above feat:
Anos was fighting Eques in the Demon King's Garden, a triple-layered universe that is essentially a "more durable" battlefield (this is a VERY simple explanation), where Anos can use more of his destructive power without the risk of destroying the real universe, as that would have happened multiple times in this battle if he had fought in the real universe.
Eques used the <Cogwheel of Fate> and activated <Beld Rase Femblem>. This induced an inescapable predetermined fate that determined if Anos made a single movement, the Demon King Garden would be destroyed (and subsequently the real universe would also be destroyed if Anos did not supress himself after that). It is later explained that the statement "a single movement" actually refers to any kind of action, including using his magic eyes. It is also later explained that this fated event would certainly happen even if he went back to the past before the creation of the world and used his power, because the fated event was determined to certainly happen even before that, as it was truly predetermined.
Eques then attacked Anos with <Boros Hetero Arvis> in an attempt to make him perform an action and activate <Beld Rase Femblem>'s effect. Anos proceeded to stop <Boros Hetero Arvis>, therefore performing an action, but the Demon King's Garden was not destroyed.
Anos explained that he can slightly open his MEoCD in the Demon King's Garden (there is no direct statement that he himself activated his magic eye, but it seems to be implied), and that his magic eye can destroy order (laws and concepts) and reason. He then also explained that he "destroyed the reason of <Beld Rase Femblem>", but Eques once again emphasised that you cannot destroy <Beld Rase Femblem> before it destroys the Demon King's Garden, as it is a predetermined fate that makes a single event certainly happen.
Finally, Anos explained that Eques' power and his MEoCD's power were contradictory, and that if there's a contradiction between the MEoCD and the reason that must be destroyed, he will win unilaterally. He then states, "Compared to the reason which makes a single event certainly happen, it's far more advantageous for the <Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction> which makes this event never happen. Additionally, the contradiction turns into the power of the <Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction>."
I realise the above explanation might be a bit confusing, so feel free to read the relevant scan yourself to form your own interpretation and explanation.
I personally have more than one interpretation and explanation (one is simple but seemingly less accurate, while the other is complicated but seemingly more accurate) of the relevant feat and how exactly Anos was able to destroy Eques' power without it destroying the Demon King's Garden:
1. We assume Anos' eyes acted automatically (similar to how Anos' normal Magic Eyes of Destruction (MEoD) can also seemingly act automatically) and faster than Eques' power, which could then explain in a simple non-NLF way how he was able to destroy Eques' power without it destroying the Demon King's Garden.
I personally do not really think this first explanation is the most accurate.
2. We do not assume Anos' eyes acted automatically and faster than Eques' power, but instead we just take the relevant feat as read. This would essentially mean that Anos destroyed Eques' power after the power already affected him and its effect (making a single event certainly happen) technically already should have activated, by destroying the reason of the power and creating a contradiction (making that same single event never happen), therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently being unaffected by the power that already affected him, and also nullifying its effect, as if he was never even affected to begin with.
This explanation might seem a bit confusing, but I think it is a rather basic logical contradiction. Eques' power proposed that "This single event will certainly happen", while Anos' power proposed that "This single event will never happen". Logically, these two contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, and while Eques' proposition was true before Anos created the contradiction, Anos' proposition became true after Anos created the contradiction as a result of the nature of his MEoCD.
I personally think this second explanation is more accurate, because the MEoCD's power is in fact based on destroying reason (logic) and creating, and then winning, (logical) contradictions. Also, I believe according to Occam's razor, my second explanation which uses less assumptions would be preferred.
I also realise that my second explanation could potentially be NLF or something, because it basically explains that Anos can power null an ability (probably even passive abilities) after the ability already affected him, by destroying the reason of the ability and creating a contradiction, therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently being unaffected by the ability that already affected him, and also nullifying its effect, as if he was never even affected to begin with, which is why I did not add it to Anos' profile page. However, a counter-argument to any potential arguments of NLF would be that anyone who can resist the MEoCD's law manip, concept manip, and power null would be able to affect Anos.
The power of Anos' MEoCD seems like a good example of logic manipulation IMO, as it literally destroys reason, so the second explanation being confusing and seemingly impossible is not really a relevant factor, especially since Venuzdonoa, another reason destroying power, also has many such seemingly impossible feats.
The above is just my personal interpretations and explanations, so other people can ofc post other interpretations if they want to.
Anyways, please discuss the above mentioned relevant feat and any of its interpretations and explanations here, so that we can choose the most accurate explanation and possibly revise it on Anos' profile page if necessary.
I specifically want to discuss the following part of Anos' MEoCD:
Here is the relevant scan for the above feat that is used as an example (and justification):
An explanation of the above feat:
Anos was fighting Eques in the Demon King's Garden, a triple-layered universe that is essentially a "more durable" battlefield (this is a VERY simple explanation), where Anos can use more of his destructive power without the risk of destroying the real universe, as that would have happened multiple times in this battle if he had fought in the real universe.
Eques used the <Cogwheel of Fate> and activated <Beld Rase Femblem>. This induced an inescapable predetermined fate that determined if Anos made a single movement, the Demon King Garden would be destroyed (and subsequently the real universe would also be destroyed if Anos did not supress himself after that). It is later explained that the statement "a single movement" actually refers to any kind of action, including using his magic eyes. It is also later explained that this fated event would certainly happen even if he went back to the past before the creation of the world and used his power, because the fated event was determined to certainly happen even before that, as it was truly predetermined.
Eques then attacked Anos with <Boros Hetero Arvis> in an attempt to make him perform an action and activate <Beld Rase Femblem>'s effect. Anos proceeded to stop <Boros Hetero Arvis>, therefore performing an action, but the Demon King's Garden was not destroyed.
Anos explained that he can slightly open his MEoCD in the Demon King's Garden (there is no direct statement that he himself activated his magic eye, but it seems to be implied), and that his magic eye can destroy order (laws and concepts) and reason. He then also explained that he "destroyed the reason of <Beld Rase Femblem>", but Eques once again emphasised that you cannot destroy <Beld Rase Femblem> before it destroys the Demon King's Garden, as it is a predetermined fate that makes a single event certainly happen.
Finally, Anos explained that Eques' power and his MEoCD's power were contradictory, and that if there's a contradiction between the MEoCD and the reason that must be destroyed, he will win unilaterally. He then states, "Compared to the reason which makes a single event certainly happen, it's far more advantageous for the <Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction> which makes this event never happen. Additionally, the contradiction turns into the power of the <Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction>."
I realise the above explanation might be a bit confusing, so feel free to read the relevant scan yourself to form your own interpretation and explanation.
I personally have more than one interpretation and explanation (one is simple but seemingly less accurate, while the other is complicated but seemingly more accurate) of the relevant feat and how exactly Anos was able to destroy Eques' power without it destroying the Demon King's Garden:
1. We assume Anos' eyes acted automatically (similar to how Anos' normal Magic Eyes of Destruction (MEoD) can also seemingly act automatically) and faster than Eques' power, which could then explain in a simple non-NLF way how he was able to destroy Eques' power without it destroying the Demon King's Garden.
I personally do not really think this first explanation is the most accurate.
2. We do not assume Anos' eyes acted automatically and faster than Eques' power, but instead we just take the relevant feat as read. This would essentially mean that Anos destroyed Eques' power after the power already affected him and its effect (making a single event certainly happen) technically already should have activated, by destroying the reason of the power and creating a contradiction (making that same single event never happen), therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently being unaffected by the power that already affected him, and also nullifying its effect, as if he was never even affected to begin with.
This explanation might seem a bit confusing, but I think it is a rather basic logical contradiction. Eques' power proposed that "This single event will certainly happen", while Anos' power proposed that "This single event will never happen". Logically, these two contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, and while Eques' proposition was true before Anos created the contradiction, Anos' proposition became true after Anos created the contradiction as a result of the nature of his MEoCD.
I personally think this second explanation is more accurate, because the MEoCD's power is in fact based on destroying reason (logic) and creating, and then winning, (logical) contradictions. Also, I believe according to Occam's razor, my second explanation which uses less assumptions would be preferred.
I also realise that my second explanation could potentially be NLF or something, because it basically explains that Anos can power null an ability (probably even passive abilities) after the ability already affected him, by destroying the reason of the ability and creating a contradiction, therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently being unaffected by the ability that already affected him, and also nullifying its effect, as if he was never even affected to begin with, which is why I did not add it to Anos' profile page. However, a counter-argument to any potential arguments of NLF would be that anyone who can resist the MEoCD's law manip, concept manip, and power null would be able to affect Anos.
The power of Anos' MEoCD seems like a good example of logic manipulation IMO, as it literally destroys reason, so the second explanation being confusing and seemingly impossible is not really a relevant factor, especially since Venuzdonoa, another reason destroying power, also has many such seemingly impossible feats.
The above is just my personal interpretations and explanations, so other people can ofc post other interpretations if they want to.
Anyways, please discuss the above mentioned relevant feat and any of its interpretations and explanations here, so that we can choose the most accurate explanation and possibly revise it on Anos' profile page if necessary.
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