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Long story short, the characters in Animator vs Animation should get tiers for their feats within the computer through Reality Equalization.
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Animator vs Animation revision
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Hasnt Alex consistently been treated as a powerless real life human with no indication of him being 4D?
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This is for the animation, not necessarily the animator.
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I know you are referring to the animation, its that Alex sees them as fiction so they would only seem 2D to him as to how a regular human views animations on a computer in reality
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Just like how, say, Wreck-it-Ralph is only 2D to the humans in his verse?
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I heavily agree with this, I don't understand how Doki Doki gets 2-C or Wreck-it-Ralph gets 9-B despite Ralph's existence being explicitly tied to human technology and the literal INTERNET, and also the credit sequence of Monika literally deleting ren.py assets, but somehow AvA suffers because it involves a real human, but the real life humans and structures involved in Wreck-it-Ralph and Doki Doki magically don't exist. I don't think there's any argument against Animator vs Animation that can't be applied to these two.
Ralph literally travels through the plugs in between the arcade, and travels through the ne from an arcade machine into an Ipad. Using Undertale's logic, you could make an easier argument for Monika but the game also requires a lot of messing with actual files in your computer.
Ralph literally travels through the plugs in between the arcade, and travels through the ne from an arcade machine into an Ipad. Using Undertale's logic, you could make an easier argument for Monika but the game also requires a lot of messing with actual files in your computer.
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I think we should look towards calcing some AvA feats. It might have been harder before to justify giving them a separate rating, but AvA 5 gives us a lot to work with since they do actually fight in a more 3D backdrop.
The laser feat of The Chosen One Reborn could probably yield something like 7-A or 6-C, and then give a 9-B rating to the regular sticks
The laser feat of The Chosen One Reborn could probably yield something like 7-A or 6-C, and then give a 9-B rating to the regular sticks
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What do we use to scale them to
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I have found these calcs, which shows the chosen one being at small building level and hypersonic on speed. I also did these calcs
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very much agree, they at least need a regular key
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I agree with this
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Probably just calc the actual explosion, can't really do anything about scaling to a blue screen unless you mean stuff like firefox in which case idk, maybe if they have an explosion with them when they get destroyed
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We don't necessarily have to given that Animator vs Animation 5 has them fighting in a perfectly 3D environment
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So... what level could we give to the final attack of the dark lord and chosen one that destroyed the pc?
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The best we could probably do is calc the overall size of the explosion based on the pc, other than that nothing really else can be done with that since we can't really give a value to breaking the pc
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I think we'd probably need to just base it on AvA 5. AvA 5 gives the most substantial evidence that they can immerse themselves into a reality where they're more like human beings rather than actual code
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I've made a sandbox of how The Chosen One and Orange will look after the revisions how is it looking?
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Everything seems fine at a glance. Though make sure that you bold "far higher" because two of them on the Second Coming's page have just "higher" bolded.
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My calcs got accepted
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Can we apply the changes to the profiles or do we have to wait for something else / do something else?
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I think so, since no one seems to disagree. If the Dark Lord comes back, we may also need to scale the high tiers physically to the lazer beam but otherwise this is good
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I fully agree with the Reality Equalization here.
While the characters are clearly not 3D, they still have their feats within their reality that can be equated to.
In fact, the profiles that depicted them as 2D were extremely inconsistent with the ratings.
While the characters are clearly not 3D, they still have their feats within their reality that can be equated to.
In fact, the profiles that depicted them as 2D were extremely inconsistent with the ratings.
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Even if it doesn’t happen anymore, it’s happened so consistently for so much of the series that it would likely still disqualify TCO’s lasers from being light speed (Especially given how strict laser standards on the wiki are)
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We still kind of need to straighten that one out since we haven't really determined the size of anything with AvM, we should start a discussion thread elsewhere to talk about this
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Long story short, the characters in Animator vs Animation should get tiers for their feats within the computer through Reality Equalization.
There's a good reason these pages were at 10-C for so long; it's a textbook example of failing our reality equalization standards.
Just like how, say, Wreck-it-Ralph is only 2D to the humans in his verse?
Wreck-It-Ralph is almost entirely inside that virtual realm, and viewed from the perspective of those characters, not the humans.
I heavily agree with this, I don't understand how Doki Doki gets 2-C or Wreck-it-Ralph gets 9-B
Because Doki Doki (until the newest update which made this more arguable) was entirely inside the virtual realm, viewed from the perspective of those characters.
There's a good reason these pages were at 10-C for so long; it's a textbook example of failing our reality equalization standards.
AvA is a direct affront to this; the moments of the story focused on the virtual world are from the perspective of the animator, not the virtual characters (at least in the earlier animations, idk about any newer ones, and if newer ones are from the animation's perspective, you'd need to tally up screentime to find which perspective is more consistent and use that one).
Just like how, say, Wreck-it-Ralph is only 2D to the humans in his verse?
Wreck-It-Ralph is almost entirely inside that virtual realm, and viewed from the perspective of those characters, not the humans.
I heavily agree with this, I don't understand how Doki Doki gets 2-C or Wreck-it-Ralph gets 9-B
Because Doki Doki (until the newest update which made this more arguable) was entirely inside the virtual realm, viewed from the perspective of those characters.
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