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Amon vs Karthus

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Well lets see, he gains access to the powers of his band members so he would have:

Himself: He can rip out and enslave or absorb Amon's soul.

Mordekaiser: He can also rip out and enslave or absorb Amon's soul, as well as seal Amon in the physical realm to prevent him from contacting his body in the Void.

Olaf and Yorick Mori: Both of them can absorb life force by attacking their opponent

Kayle and Sona Buvelle: a constant source of Healing and Stat amping for them and Stat reduction for Amon, as well as a powerful invulnerability ability from kayle

Oh thank you for reminding me that according to the new lore, the town theyre attacking is a non-corporeal city that resides in the spirit realm. Gotta add that.
 
Now if Karthas can cause his body to become subject to broadway force, that doesn't affect his mind I believe. So would he still be able to utilize his psionic attacks without utilizing his body?
 
^^^ If He can use his psionic attacks while being subject than I would consider the match still going. If he cannot than I believe Karthus has the win here, Low Diff.
 
Karthus' broadway force isn't passive. When he entered Bandle City and started singing the Yordles weren't immediately caught in it. It wasn't until Yorick started using Mourning Mist and Karthus used Requirm that the Yordles started rocking out. This is very evident since Teemo, who never gets targeted by any spells, is never controlled by the broadway force.
 
The question still stands, If Amon does get caught in broadway force by anychance, does his mind still have acess to his Psionic attacks, Cuz Amon may be able to manipulate all of their minds, i mean his Mind manipulation is pretty powerful.
 
Amon's mind manip absolutely blows through any resistance Karthus has. Also, Amon's mind hax is thought-based, so it goes before a point of the finger. Karthus' only chance was a passive effect to beat him, but he doesn't have that.
 
The way we treat Broadway Force seems pretty arbitrary. There is no reason to assume it is not a hypnotic tune or a telekinetic ability if both cases are implied. Characters who still retain control of their mind but are forced to dance are being affected by TK, characters who are trapped under it and are controlled in all forms are being mindhaxxed.

Most of the time it is not even an ability, just a character being good at bringing up the mood with their Talk no Jutsu.

Music Meister himself uses mindhax for his Broadway Force.
 
Body Puppetry could also be one way it's applied

Either way, from what I see, either Karthus' dancehax bounces off Amon's mental power or Amon gets forced to dance, and then proceeds to completely mindrape Karthus for putting him through such indignity.
 
Unlikely that he can do so when Amon erases his concept of self identity and control at the tiniest of thoughts
 
Upon a single instant of hesitation Amon can get soulripped

It's just he gets an inherent Hax speed advantage.
 
I never voted, but I'll cast my vote for Amon since he's more likely to mind hax first.
 
Said hax speed advantage is enormous. Thoughts go off unimaginably faster than any finger can rise, even when their fighting speed is proportionately equal. In fact, thoughts are as fast as the fastest arrows (100m/s) for the average human, while the average speed at which a finger can rise is maybe half a second for several dozen centimeters...maybe 1m/s.
 
I will also vote for "howdidtheybeatthismotherheckerincanon" for reasons above
 
Assaltwaffle said:
I'd say it's a stomp. That's the problem with Amon. His most powerful ability is in-character and it is either worthless or an insta-win 90% of the time.
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I mean, again, one bit of hesatation gets him soulripped. It's not like he just wins via existing, Karthus has the capacity to win.
 
@DMUA

Why would he hesitate? Amon isn't an uncertain individual and unless he knows the opponent resists he is going to mind hax like he did against the entire Khalai Protoss and the Zerg.
 
Isn't it not a stomp because both can kill the other and the mind hax isn't passive? Just because Amon wins because in character he starts with good thought based hax doesn't mean it's a stomp especially if he only barely wins because Karthus can soul rip with a finger point.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
Why would he hesitate? Amon isn't an uncertain individual and unless he knows the opponent resists he is going to mind hax like he did against the entire Khalai Protoss and the Zerg.
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Not expecting a grim reaper looking fellow to be fighting him would be a pretty good reason to hesatate

But eh
 
Not expecting a giant squid to be fightinng him would be a pretty dang good reason for Karthus not even move at first.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Not expecting a giant squid to be fightinng him would be a pretty dang good reason for Karthus not even move at first.
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Well in High 6-A form he's a massive, red one of these. Only his true form is da squid.
 
@DMUA

Pentakill Karthus doesn't even look like the Grim Reaper. Even if he did that wouldn't matter to Karthus since the Xel'naga don't tie any significance to such a look.
 
Eh

I mean, we usually let this matches go through just fine, so

I dunno
 
Assaltwaffle said:
If a character wins by thinking and the opponent has no way around that the match shouldn't be let through. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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So any match where the opponent has thought based hax that the other dude doesn't resist is a stomp?
 
If either character has absolutely no way of winning by any means, it's a stomp. The only way Amon doesn't win is if he jobs into obliviom, and he wouldnt so that in a random battle against someone he doesn't know.
 
So in this scenario where Karthus and Amon can both oneshot, it's a stomp because Amon's oneshot can be performed quicker than Karthus's so Karthus can't win no matter what he does? That makes sense personally but I thought that something can't be a stomp because of the other character's personality, which in this case would be Amon starting off with his oneshot instead of jobbing.
 
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