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What does she use that can reach her true form? Incapacitating any individual one means just shit
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Altair vs Not Cu Chulainn
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Vicissitudes of Fortune reversed the causality itself when she was about to get impaled against Aliceteria's Conceptual Attack. putting Altair's acausality to a side.Iapitus The Impaler said:
Plus, what could prevent her from revising Gáe Bolg into a bunch of flower petals or revise her luck to, you know, high enough to make it miss her?
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I vote for altair btw.
Like throwing a spear for rin winning??
Hell no, even somebody like Goku can dodge something like that. Altair incaps her easily before the spear hits
Like throwing a spear for rin winning??
Hell no, even somebody like Goku can dodge something like that. Altair incaps her easily before the spear hits
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Is that a joke or an actual argument?
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Ipatius is saying how rin will kill altair by throwing a spear, even though altair easily incaps her or removes the spear before it can hit her.
Dodging a spear isn't too hard
Dodging a spear isn't too hard
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Have you actually read what Gae Bolg does?
Have you read about her immortality, which is connected to the Moon Cell, something far above what Altair can deal with.
Have you read about her immortality, which is connected to the Moon Cell, something far above what Altair can deal with.
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It harms you when it hits you.
Altair still incaps
Altair still incaps
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For the 95th time on this thread: reversing the causality of the spear won't work, since the effect is the stab, and the cause is impalement. All that will be reflected is who thrusts the spear into Altair's heart, nothing else.NothingToDebateWith said:
She could do that to the first spear, or the second spear, or the third spear, but for every spear she negates will be another 19 ready to be impaled into her. Oh, also, she would need to be able to revise her luck as well as write herself into the servant system, because just boosting her luck wont be enough unless she can do it in a way that will equalize to servant stats
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What does she have to incapacitate Rin?I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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Why are you even arguing if the spear hits or not. Big deal if it hits let it. As if altair cares. She can easly continue on with a huge hole in her chest. And if im not missing something the spear only hits the heart so once that is destroyed Gae bolg becomes usless against her.
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It's not merely a hole in the chest. She'll be turned to mush by the AP difference
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IF she had a human body or something close to it. Then yes. But her body is just a projection its a Hologram its not a real body. Frankly im pretty sure she doesn't even have a heart for Gae bolg to strike.
Now that i think about it we never see her bleed or be hurt in any human way. And even when she is being erased and we get to see a bit inside of her we never see any kind of orgns or anything. From all that is shown in the show she is just a projection with the image of Altair. To me it seems there isnt anything for Gae bolg to hit.
Now that i think about it we never see her bleed or be hurt in any human way. And even when she is being erased and we get to see a bit inside of her we never see any kind of orgns or anything. From all that is shown in the show she is just a projection with the image of Altair. To me it seems there isnt anything for Gae bolg to hit.
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Laughs in mid godly regenIapitus The Impaler said:
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Sixtyy sixth move of the holopsicon is used to incapacitate the target and absorb them.
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And from what I've read that still doesn't stop Rin.
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It was only mentioned in passinng before I did.
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Yes, I'm aware, which is why you need concept manip to harm her, as Rin does. That's a pretty big assumption, as her projection is in the image of those that made her, and she is clearly meant to be human, or at least humanoidKiril Vasilev said:
Her projection is why you need to attack with a concept or be able to effect concepts to be able to harm her, but Rin has those requirements. Also, unless you have proof that she completely lacks organs, we move forward under the premise she does, as she was made in the image of a human
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Did you completely miss the conceptual negation of regen or did you just forget?I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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Been addressed. Even if she absorbs a single avatar, she cannot reach the real Rin, so they just keep coming, and she can't replicate the abilities of the moon cell as they are far above her pay gradeSharkafterdark said:
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I just looked at " The Sixty-Sixth Movement of the Cosmos: Existence Change:" a bit closer And the attack specifically states that the target is absorbed on a coneptual level. Which makes perfect sense becouse if Sirus just absorbed Altair's avatar she would just make another projection and continue on.So if im understanding this ability correctly it shoudlnt just absorb a single avatar but the whole concept of Rin. Which would mean Altair wins as soon as she uses it. Becouse the concept of Rin wouldnt exist it would become Altair.
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The Rin is being stored and protected by the moon cell. It wouldn't let you interfere with its processes, so unless you have the ability to somehow work in a way that it doesn't matter, you would need to be able to hack or overwhelm its defenses which work on a significantly above baseline scale. It being a conceptual attack should not change this, due to authority users making use of concept hax is incredibly common
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What exactly is above baseline scale define, please. Has the mooncell ever actually defended someone from a Conceptual attack? I'm asking specifically about defending someone else and not itself. Because I looked through Rins page. And while she has infinite generation of avatars thanks to mooncell listed. She has no form of Concept manip resist or negation listed.
I also cannot find any concrete information of exactly how powerful the mooncell is and what abilities it has. The closest I can find is BB's profile which states that she absorbed the mooncell and became it gaining all its powers. And she still doesn't have any kind of Concept manip resist listed.
I also want to mention the fact that a barely materialized Sirius lacking the levels of acceptance Altair had at the time of their battle managed to successfully use "existence change" on Altairs "At least Low 2-C " form
I also cannot find any concrete information of exactly how powerful the mooncell is and what abilities it has. The closest I can find is BB's profile which states that she absorbed the mooncell and became it gaining all its powers. And she still doesn't have any kind of Concept manip resist listed.
I also want to mention the fact that a barely materialized Sirius lacking the levels of acceptance Altair had at the time of their battle managed to successfully use "existence change" on Altairs "At least Low 2-C " form
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When I said above baseline I was talking about being decently far into 2-A, my bad I should have been more specific. A character, using the Moon Cell's abilities, was able to no sell Gil's entire arsenal, which includes several conceptual weapons and armaments.
CCC BB's profile is where you can find a good amount of the moon Cell's abilities and it's about as close as we can get to having a profile for it. It has a few extra abilities that are specific to BB and a few that are missing, but it fits the roll well enough. Resistance to concept manip should be within the standard cocktail of Authority resistances, so if it isn't there, than that is an oversight and should have been added a while ago
Low 2-C doesn't compare to 2-A
CCC BB's profile is where you can find a good amount of the moon Cell's abilities and it's about as close as we can get to having a profile for it. It has a few extra abilities that are specific to BB and a few that are missing, but it fits the roll well enough. Resistance to concept manip should be within the standard cocktail of Authority resistances, so if it isn't there, than that is an oversight and should have been added a while ago
Low 2-C doesn't compare to 2-A
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Tbh, we've pointed out before that certain abilities and resistances are missing (including resistance to conceptual manipulation), but we kinda decided to leave it until we discuss Authority.
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Then why does that post even exist, comparing 2-C with a person that has 2-A hax? ROFL.Iapitus The Impaler said:
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