All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[CelestialVortex01]

I haven't pulled a new unit since the anniversary btw
(couldn't even pull part three's units)

 

[RanHover60]

BAAANG

New design philosophy my ass

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

 

[Mgebrat282]

Rate this one

Bump

 

[Mgebrat282]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Psychomaster35/Murder_Drones:_Landing_Pod_Dodge Farmer with a shotgun was able to percive, saw and reatced on Raditz's pod and other average humans were able to do the same = humans in DB are mftl+

 

[Mgebrat282]

What did ********** give us?

 

[StarShooter80]

The best DBS arc? What are you on about

 

[Mgebrat282]

The best DBS arc? What are you on about

Neither Moro nor Granola arcs are the best, also he fcked up ToP arc, U6 arc, BoG arc and kinda Future Trunks arc. And in terms of powerscaling he just didn't give a thing, not even more abilities that hadn't exist before

 

[StarShooter80]

Neither Moro nor Granola arcs are the best

Son.

also he fcked up ToP arc, U6 arc, BoG arc and kinda Future Trunks arc. And in terms of powerscaling he just didn't give a thing, not even more abilities that hadn't exist before

The DBS manga has a plethora of new abilities after Z, the early DBS arcs are excusable since it was just meant to be promotion for the anime up initially, and what do you mean he messed them up? If you mean by them being different then that's entirely excusable since both do their own things with Toriyama's outlines

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Neither Moro nor Granola arcs are the best

Worst take ever?

 

[Mgebrat282]

Son.

He straight up made Goku forget everything he was taught in original manga, like his skills as a master, which anime didn't. He also made Goku even more stupid than in anime. In anime it looks like he's just acting as in a moment with Frieza where he treaked him for coming to ToP and using Earth dragonballs for resurection(they can't revive twice and Goku knew that in anime, when in manga he was just an idiot)

The DBS manga has a plethora of new abilities after Z

Like what? Cell could absorb ki before Moro, weapons creation was before Gas, preasure points attacks were before Granola, cloning too, etc. Only abilities that were established in anime do matter, but in manga they are worse and weaker than in anime(and some was established earlier in Kai, like immortality for souls and ability to destroy them with ki like Buu).

the early DBS arcs are excusable since it was just meant to be promotion for the anime up initially, and what do you mean he messed them up? If you mean by them being different then that's entirely excusable since both do their own things with Toriyama's outlines

ToP, BoG and U6 are objectivly worse than their anime counter parts. Most characters weren't even revealed properly, even thou they are "the strongest in their universes", also many characters abilities are worse. For example: Botamo, in anime he could transfere all the damage into another dimension which is much better and more original than...Luffy's rip-off in manga.
And I won't even talk about Vegeta can't lift 1000 tons, Goku vs Moro where Goku didn't even show moutain lvl feat when he was fighting at his full power and didn't hold back the entire fight(he didn't even care about the Earth as Gohan said him to not do so, but ********** desided to make Goku featless), Vegeta strugling against Namek's only energy, etc.

 

[Mbpoops]

What did ******taro give us?

Toyotaro hate in the big 26. Theres a reason why the moro arc was so hyped

 

[StarShooter80]

He straight up made Goku forget everything he was taught in original manga, like his skills as a master, which anime didn't. He also made Goku even more stupid than in anime. In anime it looks like he's just acting as in a moment with Frieza where he treaked him for coming to ToP and using Earth dragonballs for resurection(they can't revive twice and Goku knew that in anime, when in manga he was just an idiot)

That moment with Frieza is dumb in comparison with the anime but that's about it, there's no moment like Goku forgetting senzu beans, forgetting he did meditating, or just being extremely immature like he is in the anime

Like what? Cell could absorb ki before Moro, weapons creation was before Gas, preasure points attacks were before Granola, cloning too, etc. Only abilities that were established in anime do matter, but in manga they are worse and weaker than in anime(and some was established earlier in Kai, like immortality for souls and ability to destroy them with ki like Buu).

And them being weaker than the anime is worse how? The original manga is also weaker than the anime heck most anime adaptations are just superior to the manga, Goku also never had duplication before. And the manga does have some advantages over the anime, like having higher layers of ki sensing than the anime, Goku's Deconstruction/matter/soul destruction & possible EE, additional BFR, Vegeta getting proper Hakai, instant transmission and spirit fission, it's not without its merits.

ToP, BoG and U6 are objectivly worse than their anime counter parts. Most characters weren't even revealed properly, even thou they are "the strongest in their universes", also many characters abilities are worse. For example: Botamo, in anime he could transfere all the damage into another dimension which is much better and more original than...Luffy's rip-off in manga.

Again early DBS manga was just promotion for the anime which made arcs go by much faster with less content, the anime was really the main focus even starting production earlier than the manga.

And I won't even talk about Vegeta can't lift 1000 tons, Goku vs Moro where Goku didn't even show moutain lvl feat when he was fighting at his full power and didn't hold back the entire fight(he didn't even care about the Earth as Gohan said him to not do so, but ******taro desided to make Goku featless), Vegeta strugling against Namek's only energy, etc.

You genuinely cannot enjoy the moro fight because there's no key jiggling 2-C feats? And stop saying the r word

 

[Mbpoops]

We cannot be calling toyotaro a ****** because he didnt adhere to powerscaling fetishes. You gotta watch/read the show for enjoyment then look at the powerscaling you cant see media only in the eyes if a powerscaler cause then you have takes like this. If anything id argue the dbs manga took the powerscaling in a better direction than the anime but i wont get into that

 

[Mbpoops]

We cannot be calling toyotaro a ****** because he didnt adhere to powerscaling fetishes. You gotta watch/read the show for enjoyment then look at the powerscaling you cant see media only in the eyes if a powerscaler cause then you have takes like this. If anything id argue the dbs manga took the powerscaling in a better direction than the anime but i wont get into that

Also mb for using ableist slur

 

[Mgebrat282]

That moment with Frieza is dumb in comparison with the anime but that's about it, there's no moment like Goku forgetting senzu beans, forgetting he did meditating, or just being extremely immature like he is in the anime

In manga he also forgot all that and forgetting senzu bean(anime)<forgetting everything he was taught as a master of martial art(manga).

And them being weaker than the anime is worse how? The original manga is also weaker than the anime heck most anime adaptations are just superior to the manga

Anime isn't a manga adaptation, what did prevent Toyataro from showing better feats, abilities, statements, canonicity, cosmology, etc? Nothing, he was making everything by his own.

Goku also never had duplication before. And the manga does have some advantages over the anime, like having higher layers of ki sensing than the anime, Goku's Deconstruction/matter/soul destruction & possible EE, additional BFR, Vegeta getting proper Hakai, instant transmission and spirit fission, it's not without its merits.

Duplication is kinda sus(dopilgangers are useless in a fight), also he could potentially do that because Tien is much inferior in skills. Layers of ki sensing...Goku could destroy matter and soul, and deconstruct things in DBZ via ki. BFR for throwing in space? That's just a strenght feat, not ability. Also Toyataro kinda retconed his hakai, which not doesn't erase but destroy in anti-matter manner. Spirit fission is also kinda useless, especially when he NEVER EVER used it again

Again early DBS manga was just promotion for the anime which made arcs go by much faster with less content, the anime was really the main focus even starting production earlier than the manga.

Manga started earlie than an anime and stopped being its promotion in Future Trunks saga...

You genuinely cannot enjoy the moro fight because there's no key jiggling 2-C feats? And stop saying the r word

It makes the fight look less important. Seriously, when Nappa's finger feat alone makes him a bigger threat than all Moro's sheningans and Moro himself, then there is really something wrong with it.

 

[Mbpoops]

In manga he also forgot all that and forgetting senzu bean(anime)<forgetting everything he was taught as a master of martial art(manga).

When?

Anime isn't a manga adaptation, what did prevent Toyataro from showing better feats, abilities, statements, canonicity, cosmology, etc? Nothing, he was making everything by his own.

The manga was an adaptation of the anime. It was promotional thats why it was so short. Pretty sure thats what he said

Duplication is kinda sus(dopilgangers are useless in a fight), also he could potentially do that because Tien is much inferior in skills. Layers of ki sensing...Goku could destroy matter and soul, and deconstruct things in DBZ via ki. BFR for throwing in space? That's just a strenght feat, not ability. Also Toyataro kinda retconed his hakai, which not doesn't erase but destroy in anti-matter manner. Spirit fission is also kinda useless, especially when he NEVER EVER used it again

Why would vegeta need spirit fission against granola or gas..? Everything else is just powerscaling slop word salad.

Manga started earlie than an anime and stopped being its promotion in Future Trunks saga...

It makes the fight look less important. Seriously, when Nappa's finger feat alone makes him a bigger threat than all Moro's sheningans and Moro himself, then there is really something wrong with it.

No it doesnt bruh son we not saying this cause moro didnt destroy a mountain

 

[Mgebrat282]

We cannot be calling toyotaro a ****** because he didnt adhere to powerscaling fetishes. You gotta watch/read the show for enjoyment then look at the powerscaling you cant see media only in the eyes if a powerscaler cause then you have takes like this. If anything id argue the dbs manga took the powerscaling in a better direction than the anime but i wont get into that

Yeah, in DB powerscaling itself is better, because when, for example, Sonic's characters can die from a fall, falling rocks, average explosions, etc and can't even destroy a metallic wall it'll objectivly makes chain scaling and other things in vsbw garbage for all people(especially authors themselves). When it comes to DB we can say for strange moments that it's ki control, everyone and even authors agrees, but at the same time it makes things weird. When a character that can easily destroy any universe, possibly any cosmological structure, etc, fights at the lvl of a pebble and never uses atleast planet lvl power feat(for showing he's a threat), it makes everything awkward.

 

[Mgebrat282]

When?

Master Roshi said he forgot everything he was taught and then Goku remembers it and activates UI, when in anime he never forgot his training and was instead getting better in this.

The manga was an adaptation of the anime. It was promotional thats why it was so short. Pretty sure thats what he said

After U6 it wasn't

Why would vegeta need spirit fission against granola or gas..? Everything else is just powerscaling slop word salad.

Spirit fission is kinda Moro's magic

No it doesnt bruh son we not saying this cause moro didnt destroy a mountain

For people it's important, there are entire videos about why DB is weak in terms of feats

 

[Mbpoops]

Master Roshi said he forgot everything he was taught and then Goku remembers it and activates UI, when in anime he never forgot his training and was instead getting better in this.

Goku didnt forget being a martial artist and roshi didnt mean in a sense that he literally forgot how to be a martial artist just that he just forgot the reasom he learned martial arts. Not to conquer his opponents but conquer himself

After U6 it wasn't

Never said it was after uni 6

Spirit fission is kinda Moro's magic

What does that have to do with what i said

For people it's important, there are entire videos about why DB is weak in terms of feats

For people who only think in terms of powerscaling maybe

 

[StarShooter80]

In manga he also forgot all that and forgetting senzu bean(anime)<forgetting everything he was taught as a master of martial art(manga).

Genuinely what are you talking about

Anime isn't a manga adaptation, what did prevent Toyataro from showing better feats, abilities, statements, canonicity, cosmology, etc? Nothing, he was making everything by his own.

And again you didn't read what I said, both went off the same outline and did things differently, I was talking about anime adaptations outside of Super because that's clearly a different case. And why do you think more powerscaling slop being shoved into the story for the sake of OP shit makes something good, you would hate og db lmao

Duplication is kinda sus(dopilgangers are useless in a fight)

Can be used as decoys and fool the enemy while prepping for something or be a harder target

Layers of ki sensing...

Your point?

Goku could destroy matter and soul, and deconstruct things in DBZ via ki

??

BFR for throwing in space? That's just a strenght feat, not ability.

BFR through physical means also counts

Also Toyataro kinda retconed his hakai, which not doesn't erase but destroy in anti-matter manner. Spirit fission is also kinda useless, especially when he NEVER EVER used it again

Provide one bit of evidence for Toyotaro retconning hakai actually try. Spirit fission is not at all useless it just doesn't have a use against Granola or Gas, it is a major counter for not only absorption users but also fusions

Manga started earlie than an anime

That doesn't matter production started earlier and it was the actual main focus of Super

and stopped being its promotion in Future Trunks saga...

Yeah so bog and U6 are included in that? That just leaves one arc and it's not even bad lol.

It makes the fight look less important. Seriously, when Nappa's finger feat alone makes him a bigger threat than all Moro's sheningans and Moro himself, then there is really something wrong with it.

Not every serious fight needs a key jingling shocking feats for someone to look strong, Raditz was able to easily without any statements or feats where he destroys even a building.

 

[Mbpoops]

2C mountains

 

[Mbpoops]

BFR through physical means also counts

Saitama has this via sending his opponents to the moon

 

[StarShooter80]

Saitama has this via sending his opponents to the moon

And Omni-Man for punching an opponent out of the planet

 

[Mgebrat282]

Goku didnt forget being a martial artist and roshi didnt mean in a sense that he literally forgot how to be a martial artist just that he just forgot the reasom he learned martial arts. Not to conquer his opponents but conquer himself

Goku in manga was just thinking about bigger strenght, when in anime he never thought only about it and by that he was a great mastial artist.

Never said it was after uni 6

When u6 arc ended in manga, Future Trunks's arc was already airing on TV

What does that have to do with what i said

Moro's magic was kinda useful, so as spirit fission could, but Midtaro desided to not make a difference between Goku and Vegeta, because it's better to show how Vegeta is swimming in a fight between characters who can destroy anything

For people who only think in terms of powerscaling maybe

No "The weakest shonen hero!?"

 

[Mbpoops]

Goku in manga was just thinking about bigger strenght, when in anime he never thought only about it and by that he was a great mastial artist.

1. In the anime this interaction never happened so its a bad comparrison
2. The manga is being realistic given goku’s experiences in the past (buu saga and beyond) never specifically needed a martial artist just someone with a huge powerlevel to beat the bad guys so yea it would be normal for goku to just think he needs to get stronger.

When u6 arc ended in manga, Future Trunks's arc was already airing on TV

Ok..?

Moro's magic was kinda useful, so as spirit fission could, but Midtaro desided to not make a difference between Goku and Vegeta, because it's better to show how Vegeta is swimming in a fight between characters who can destroy anything

Again what does this have to do with what i said? You said vegeta never used spirit fission again so its useless but spirit fission wouldnt work on granola or gas so why would he ever need to use it?

No "The weakest shonen hero!?"

Idk what hes saying im only fluent in english and am learning chinese

 

[Mgebrat282]

And again you didn't read what I said, both went off the same outline and did things differently, I was talking about anime adaptations outside of Super because that's clearly a different case. And why do you think more powerscaling slop being shoved into the story for the sake of OP shit makes something good, you would hate og db lmao

Fun fact: I like og dragonball more than continuation. So nah

Can be used as decoys and fool the enemy while prepping for something or be a harder target

When your oppening can one-shot them...

??

Ki is litteraly destroying matter and souls(Buu would destroy souls via ki, duh).

BFR through physical means also counts

No, it's just a physical strenght

Provide one bit of evidence for Toyotaro retconning hakai actually try.

Beerus litteraly said what Hakai when he was explaining it to Vegeta and it's different from everything we saw about hakai before

Not every serious fight needs a key jingling shocking feats for someone to look strong

If it's a climax of a arc's story, then it NEEDS it

Raditz was able to easily without any statements or feats where he destroys even a building.

Raditz has destroyed an entire mountain without a sweat...

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Idk what hes saying im only fluent in english and am learning chinese

Looking at like and dislike ratio, I don't think the video is well-received (also they are cooking him in the comments).

 

[Mgebrat282]

1. In the anime this interaction never happened so its a bad comparrison
2. The manga is being realistic given goku’s experiences in the past (buu saga and beyond) never specifically needed a martial artist just someone with a huge powerlevel to beat the bad guys so yea it would be normal for goku to just think he needs to get stronger.

1. Because Goku in anime is a better fighter obviously
2. Training with Kaio-sama he was getting better as a master, training with 100G he was getting better, training with Gohan he was specifically getting better as a genius and it even was pointed out.

Idk what hes saying im only fluent in english and am learning chinese

He's saying what I said

 

[Mbpoops]

No, it's just a physical strenght

 

[Mgebrat282]

Looking at like and dislike ratio, I don't think the video is well-received (also they are cooking him in the comments).

Are you Russian?

 

[Mgebrat282]

He just punched him, bruh

 

[StarShooter80]

Fun fact: I like og dragonball more than continuation. So nah

Somehow

When your oppening can one-shot them...

oppening? They can be one-shotted or not real and still be useful, all of the scenarios I listed them in have nothing to do with them needing to be durable or strong

Ki is litteraly destroying matter and souls(Buu would destroy souls via ki, duh).

Ki has never been used in this fashion, and Buu never destroyed souls with ki this has never happened in the manga

No, it's just a physical strenght

It's BFR through physical means it's so easy to understand

Beerus litteraly said what Hakai when he was explaining it to Vegeta and it's different from everything we saw about hakai before

You're just flat-out wrong on this

If it's a climax of a arc's story, then it NEEDS it

Not only does it not need it, Moro was gonna destroy at least the galaxy so lmao

Raditz has destroyed an entire mountain without a sweat...

No? This never happens in the manga

Gets scans for your stuff for once

 

[Mbpoops]

1. Because Goku in anime is a better fighter obviously

Manga goku would be a better fighter since he mastered autonomy but whatever floats your boat

2. Training with Kaio-sama he was getting better as a master, training with 100G he was getting better, training with Gohan he was specifically getting better as a genius and it even was pointed out.

Training with korin he learned to control his movements he was moving around to much when fighting leaving himself too open. Training with kami he learned to be agile and nimble. Training with king kai he learned to enhance his spirit and his body And with whis he learned autonomy, letting his body move freely on its own and not through his mind. (This is literally in the imgur i sent)

 

[Mbpoops]

Somehow

oppening? They can be one-shotted or not real and still be useful, all of the scenarios I listed them in have nothing to do with them needing to be durable or strong

Ki has never been used in this fashion, and Buu never destroyed souls with ki this has never happened in the manga

It's BFR through physical means it's so easy to understand

You're just flat-out wrong on this

Not only does it not need it, Moro was gonna destroy at least the galaxy so lmao

No? This never happens in the manga

Gets scans for your stuff for once

Vegeta is just a unibrow im crying

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

BFR is literally just throwing the opponent out of the battlefield in a way he wouldn't normally be able to return by conventional means

That's it, BFR through physical strength still is BFR

 

[Davi009997]

Shouldn't the Grand Priest's (Daishinkan) existence erasure be considered layered, since he can supposedly erase Goku despite Goku having resistance to Hakai?

 

[StarShooter80]

Shouldn't the Grand Priest's (Daishinkan) existence erasure be considered layered, since he can supposedly erase Goku despite Goku having resistance to Hakai?

That and Zeno erasing the likes of Jiren and 100% likely Goku as well, and the other destroyers who can endure each other's destructive energy. This has been kinda sitting in the back of my mind this week

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Does anybody know any TV anime-specific statements regarding canon off the top of their domes? Anything with the phrases "worldview" or "Dragon Ball World", "original story", or "parallel world" is especially appreciated. I don't watch any of the original anime, and I don't really engage with any of the supplementary material outside of the Extreme Battle Collection.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Shouldn't the Grand Priest's (Daishinkan) existence erasure be considered layered, since he can supposedly erase Goku despite Goku having resistance to Hakai?

In the manga he erased Merus before he was erased by the rules he broke and got an EE layer there which was already accepted, honestly I also think like this for the anime even though we don't have a Merus scene yet, I'm pretty sure what Whis said to Goku was something that threatened him and also other beings like Beerus that's why they didn't dare to say anything, Zeno has a 6D EE which doesn't need a layer I think but Grand Priest should be a different thing here