All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[BoastJr]

Is there any multipliers for Daima Goku's Monke form

I don't think there is

 

[Mgebrat282]

doesnt the kai world orbit the universe?

It was stated in anime that it exist in the universe and following by official site it's on the edge("宇宙の果て、界王神界にまでエネルギーが感じられるほど強大な力を開放し、悟空は、ブウと互角の闘いを繰り広げる... !""Releasing an immense power felt even at the edge of the universe, reaching the Supreme Kai's realm, Goku engages in a battle on equal terms with Buu...!")

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Wouldn't that contradict Kaioshin Realm being a separate spacetime, as we currently accept?

 

[Mgebrat282]

Wouldn't that contradict Kaioshin Realm being a separate spacetime, as we currently accept?

Yeahm but if we don't accepte infinite universe for DBS for some reason, then why we should not do the same for toei? And even downgrade it because of the statement

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Honestly, idk. Any DB CRT is a headache, but cosmology CRTs are on another whole level, so I just don't interact with them.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

It was stated in anime that it exist in the universe

You are aware that the Kaioshin Realm exists within U7, right?

 

[Mbpoops]

You are aware that the Kaioshin Realm exists within U7, right?

I thought it orbited it though

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I thought it orbited it though

Pretty sure the macrocosm model is no longer used to scale the cosmology, but regardless, it still exists as a part of U7

 

[Mbpoops]

Pretty sure the macrocosm model is no longer used to scale the cosmology, but regardless, it still exists as a part of U7

I see. Well if thats the case, and it exists on the edge of the universe, how is one infinite and one not?

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Toei has not bulma's anti feat statement.

Also like this infinite universe discussion is getting extremely boring omg. Why do we bring this discussion every week.

 

[Mbpoops]

Toei has not bulma's anti feat statement.

I see i see so its not infinetly expansive in toei just infinite got it

Also like this infinite universe discussion is getting extremely boring omg. Why do we bring this discussion every week.

Might be my bad. I was arguing with a friend and wanted to clarify dbs universe was finite

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I see. Well if thats the case, and it exists on the edge of the universe, how is one infinite and one not?

Assuming the edge scan is real (actual source would be nice), Kaioshin Realm is stated to exist in another dimension so it's contradicted. Also Toei doesn't have Bulma's shenanigans like Ronin said

 

[Mbpoops]

Assuming the edge scan is real (actual source would be nice), Kaioshin Realm is stated to exist in another dimension so it's contradicted. Also Toei doesn't have Bulma's shenanigans like Ronin said

Makes sense

 

[RoninSlayer200]

I see i see so its not infinetly expansive in toei just infinite got it

Might be my bad. I was arguing with a friend and wanted to clarify dbs universe was finite

Nah you good , it's just that this entire topic is incredibly boring when you see it getting discussed repeatedly with no new arguments getting discussed (because there is nothing left more to argue, it's all repetition of same stuff). It's becoming painful to see it.

 

[Mbpoops]

Nah you good , it's just that this entire topic is incredibly boring when you see it getting discussed repeatedly with no new arguments getting discussed (because there is nothing left more to argue, it's all repetition of same stuff). It's becoming painful to see it.

Nah i get it lmao

 

[Mgebrat282]

You are aware that the Kaioshin Realm exists within U7, right?

The term "Universe 7" was made only in DBS and it's DBZ...

 

[Mbpoops]

The term "Universe 7" was made only in DBS and it's DBZ...

Then it would have been retconned

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

The term "Universe 7" was made only in DBS and it's DBZ...

That....doesn't really change anything

 

[Mgebrat282]

Assuming the edge scan is real (actual source would be nice), Kaioshin Realm is stated to exist in another dimension so it's contradicted. Also Toei doesn't have Bulma's shenanigans like Ronin said

That....doesn't really change anything

Term "the universe" in daizenshu was listed as only a living wolrd. And the statement in the site was talking about the edge of the universe, so meaning it exist. Saying "it's contradicted" can be applied to DBS too cuz in Daizenshu it was stated numeros times about infinite size of the universe(and in DBZ there were none statements)

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Lmfao

 

[Mgebrat282]

Toei has not bulma's anti feat statement.

Also like this infinite universe discussion is getting extremely boring omg. Why do we bring this discussion every week.

Since when character's opinion is beyond verse's statements? It was stated in anime that Kaioshin realm exist in the universe(U7 was a term only in Super, so it's a mortal universe) and the official site states it's on the edge, so why it should differs from each other(DBS in finite and Toei isn't because...idk)

 

[Mgebrat282]

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Since when character's opinion is beyond verse's statements? It was stated in anime that Kaioshin realm exist in the universe(U7 was a term only in Super, so it's a mortal universe) and the official site states it's on the edge, so why it should differs from each other(DBS in finite and Toei isn't because...idk)

Idk, people gas up Bulma like she is omnisicient. Her statement about the universe counts as anti-feat whether we like it or not. This is one of the main reasons DBS uni isn't infinite.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Idk, people gas up Bulma like she is omnisicient. Her statement about the universe counts as anti-feat whether we like it or not. This is one of the main reasons DBS uni isn't infinite.

I just linked a video about why infinite universe can has an edge, so why it can't be applied to DBS?

 

[Mgebrat282]

When it comes to "anti-feats" for Toei cosmology from anime and official sources: Actually, it's contradicted in other sources, so nuh-huh.
When it comes to "anti-feats" for DBS cosmology from anime: Bulma is omniscient and other sources, including Daizenshu, are lies and hyperboles.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I want to know your opinion on this matter, what do you think about having Zamasua in his profile ← Conceptual Manipulation & Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time};

Infinite Zamasu has become one with the entire Super Time Line all the way to other Super Time Lines and this gives him at least Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}; because he has merged with it as well, I mean the Void World etc. and with the Super Time Line and everything in it and will enjoy conceptual manipulation due to his merging With everything and the timeline making him one with the concepts themselves, at least he would be able to change and erase concepts within the entire scope because he was already fused with them.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I just linked a video about why infinite universe can has an edge, so why it can't be applied to DBS?

The video doesn't say that. It just explains how you can technically map and "find" a border to an infinite universe, but that's from a purely mathematical point of view. Said universe still wouldn't have a physical edge.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

This looks something only happens in DBH ngl

 

[Mgebrat282]

The video doesn't say that. It just explains how you can technically map and "find" a border to an infinite universe, but that's from a purely mathematical point of view. Said universe still wouldn't have a physical edge.

50/50, theoreticaly it can.

 

[Mgebrat282]

This looks something only happens in DBH ngl

Should I make a CRT about infinite universe in DBS?

 

[Mgebrat282]

It's kinda piss me off how GayTea fans are glazing their mid-tier while trying to downgrade DBS with all their might

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Term "the universe" in daizenshu was listed as only a living wolrd.

So? Keep in mind all the times Buu was stated to be a threat to the universe which included the Afterlife. Context matters.

And the statement in the site was talking about the edge of the universe, so meaning it exist

I checked the link and it's literally an episode summary for DBZ Kai, not the original Toei anime so it doesn't even apply to the Toei anime continuity

 

[Mbpoops]

It's kinda piss me off how GayTea fans are glazing their mid-tier while trying to downgrade DBS with all their might

Gaytea?

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Goku Time

 

[Killerdrone123]

Gaytea?

GT

Honestly idk what he is talking about given most GT supporters here are also dbs supporters

 

[Mgebrat282]

Gaytea?

GT

 

[RoninSlayer200]

50/50, theoreticaly it can.

It generally can't. Current understanding of cosmology and topological hard disagrees with infinite universe having edge or center.

In fact, you can genuinely argue that even a finite universe can be finite and have no edge.

Should I make a CRT about infinite universe in DBS?

Do you have PhD in Physics? If yes, you may. If no, I personally think you shouldn't because it's gonna be a headache and likely be +10 page CRT. Genuinely not worth.

 

[Vietthai96]

Term "the universe" in daizenshu was listed as only a living wolrd. And the statement in the site was talking about the edge of the universe, so meaning it exist. Saying "it's contradicted" can be applied to DBS too cuz in Daizenshu it was stated numeros times about infinite size of the universe(and in DBZ there were none statements)

the Kaioshin realm is outside of the macrocosm, so the edge of the universe referring to the dimensional wall, unless you want to say the Kaioshin realm is within the living world

The problem isn't the edge, infinite in fiction can have edge/end to go "outside", the issue with DBS is a center

Also the Kanji in the site is 果て, which either mean Edge or End

 

[Mgebrat282]

the Kaioshin realm is outside of the macrocosm, so the edge of the universe referring to the dimensional wall, unless you want to say the Kaioshin realm is within the living world

The problem isn't the edge, infinite in fiction can have edge/end to go "outside", the issue with DBS is a center

Also the Kanji in the site is 果て, which either mean Edge or End

Why an infinite universe can't have a center? In math you can multiplie infinity by 2 and you can draw an abstractly infinite universe and point it at the center

 

[Mgebrat282]

GT

Honestly idk what he is talking about given most GT supporters here are also dbs supporters

I read a GT canonicity page...that's illogical, almost every movie, especially Fusion reborn that was pointed in that blog, just can't happen. Should I make a CRT about it?