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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Vegeta never said that he knew how to do a fusion dance before, that could be just a plot like when a character is weaker for a plot than he really is.
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Vegeta doesnt need to say “i know how to do the fusion dance” for him to know how to do it. The fact he got ssj4, went to goku and said “lets fuse” the performed the fusion dance perfectly should be evidence enough that fusion reborn did happen
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And Fusion Reborn just can't happen in anime. Goku and Vegeta are died, Goku is fighting with Pikuhan when he should be with Gohan who isn't traning with Kaioshin but chilling on Earth with everyone alive and good. Goten and Trunks know how to use fusion and there is no Buu
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This is like saying Goku has to say "I know how to do Kamehameha" in every continuity after OG DB
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Goku in DBS knew how to do a kaioken in transformations, then why we don't consider Afterlife tournament as canon for DBS?
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Thats why its a different timeline where the movies and z happen
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Goku used kamehameha in DBS manga, Goku used kamehameha in GT = DBS manga and GT are canon to each other
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Mbpoops
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Kaioken has always been a technique like that. Im pretty sure theres an explanation why he cant canonically use it in ssj and only ssjb
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Toei Film Canoncity
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@Mgebrat282 this is the blog for Toei movies canonicity. It's pretty blatant imo
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You are contradicting yourself, if Fusion Reborn and GT/Z are not in the same timeline/continuity, then they are not canon to each other cuz by that logic we can say Fusion Reborn is canon to DBS
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That's a better way to rephrase it
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Because he learnt kaioken in Z, not in Afterlife tournament.
If he had a dialogue like "Last time I tried this with Super Saiyan, my body almost exploded... I hope I can withstand it this time!" then Afterlife tournament will be canon, yeah.
But your analogy is just wrong. You are comparing:
Character knows technique A -> The only scene where he could have possibly learnt said technique is canon
To:
Character tried to mix 1 technique and 1 transformation -> Another unrelated scene where character tried to mix said technique with another transformation is canon
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As I said, I already read it and disagree with it. It's just trying to force a square peg into a round hole cuz Fusion Reborn can't happen in Z/GT timelineToei Film Canoncity
@Mgebrat282 this is the blog for Toei movies canonicity. It's pretty blatant imo
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Okay, you can debate here. Why do you think it's not canon? You can express your thoughts here without needing to make CRT (as general threads are here for this).
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Neither Goku nor Vegeta shown learning techniques in manga or anime(except kamehameha for Goku), so a take with learning is false because they could learn it off-screan as Goku learnt Kienzan or Vegeta learnt Big Bang attack
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Because almost all movies are contradict a plot, which is even established in Daizenshu for a Super 13 and several other movies. If they just can't happen(as Fusion Reborn), then they are not canon for Z/GT
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Iirc daizenshuu or some other book literally say they are connected tho?
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Im saying the gt timeline is one where the movies, z, and gt are all in the same timeline and are therefore canon to eachother. Super is the current “main timeline” where the movies dont happen and its only Z -> super/super movies so i dont think theres a controdiction
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Dude likely confused Kai with Toei Z
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In Daizenshu 7 only movies that in timeline are Dead Zone and Cooler's Revenge. Btw, by that we can make them canon for manga(even Garlick jr saga since it's listed there too)
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Im ngl i only watched Z i only ever saw bits and pieces of Kai on toonamiDude likely confused Kai with Toei Z
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I watched Super clips on TikTok, that def makes me a true db fan
Oh and I think Karakot>Goku
Oh and I think Karakot>Goku
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Movies can't exist with GT because GT is a direct sequel to Z and the entire plot is from it. I'll make a quick assumtion if all movies where canon for GT(Z is canon too): Z-fighters fight with saiyans and all of them dies, except 3(Kuririn, Gohan and Goatjirobe), then Goku revives them. After an year Oolong tries to collect Dragonballs and Goku with Kuririn, Gohan and Piccolo defeat Dr. Wheelo, then after another year Turles comes to Earth and got beaten by all Z-fighters. Then Goku kills everyone except Kuririn and Gohan, so they go to Namek, at the same time, after 2+years Vegeta finally revives and goes to Namek, Namek saga almost happens, but before fighting Frieza Goku with everyone, except Vegetea(fck Vegeta), goes to Earth to chill and fight with Slug using ss1 for the first time, then everyone fights with Frieza.
And it's just a start
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Gojo>Satoru
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Reminds me of YouTube comments saying in videos goku getting angry
"This wasn't Goku, this is Kakarot."
"The true Goku has finally awakened"
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I have evidence that may help us raise the cosmology to 7D, and this time it would apply to all characters in Dragon Ball Super. However, I am not sure whether the evidence is sufficient, so I will present it here to you.
I will start by presenting the topic here:
Hyper-Time-Line (1-C | 6D):
A higher-order timeline that houses all lower timelines, including universes, macrocosms, and the Neutral Dimension itself. It functions as a (6D) structure, as it organizes and contains multiple temporalities and their intersections. When Goku Black tore space-time from one greater timeline to another greater timeline, he ended up connecting different Hyper-Time-Lines, thereby proving that he affected structures beyond (6D) by performing this connection. After all, the slash passed through a structure that contains infinite Hyper-Time-Lines.
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Dimension (R⁷):
The space that connects infinite hyper-timelines is classified as a 7D structure, as it functions as a medium that sustains and interlinks multiple higher-order timelines. This follows the same process mentioned earlier. An interesting detail about the Time Machine is that travel is not performed from time “x” to time “y”, but rather from dimension “x” to dimension “y.” As Bulma explained, if you shift by even the smallest possible difference in time, the connection to world “y” is lost, and you will fall into a completely different world. The infinitude of time preserves transfinite possibilities of parallel worlds.
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The 12 Universes: 2-C
The Neutral Zone: Low 1-C
The Hyper-Timeline: 1-C (6D)
The space between Hyper-Timelines: 1-C (7D)
Goku Black: 1-C (7D)
All characters at Goku Black’s level or above: 1-C (7D)
Dragon Ball game characters: 1-C (7D)
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grandma jinsama is here to help. let me try something:
raise your hand if you actually are a set theory wanker
you are out
who believes in infinite busting but doesnt realize its the biggest anti feat
you are out
And for the last ones remaining: if you havent studied math, and on top if you lack a deep understanding of properties of spaces and their deformations without changing certain fundamental properties
you are out
Using tools like surgery theory is so daaamn complicated for guys who really, really know their shit. Its possible and something you could really do but it does come with problems. But still miles better than the way we abuse bigger infinites or somehow accept infinite universe buster, when thats the biggest anti feat in the entire math world.
Powerscalers and their double standards ... tztz.
Im fine with DB not being infinite in size on this forum, but outside of this? i sure as hell wont accept that
raise your hand if you actually are a set theory wanker
you are out
who believes in infinite busting but doesnt realize its the biggest anti feat
you are out
And for the last ones remaining: if you havent studied math, and on top if you lack a deep understanding of properties of spaces and their deformations without changing certain fundamental properties
you are out
Using tools like surgery theory is so daaamn complicated for guys who really, really know their shit. Its possible and something you could really do but it does come with problems. But still miles better than the way we abuse bigger infinites or somehow accept infinite universe buster, when thats the biggest anti feat in the entire math world.
Powerscalers and their double standards ... tztz.
Im fine with DB not being infinite in size on this forum, but outside of this? i sure as hell wont accept that
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I have evidence that may help us raise the cosmology to 7D, and this time it would apply to all characters in Dragon Ball Super. However, I am not sure whether the evidence is sufficient, so I will present it here to you.
I will start by presenting the topic here:
Hyper-Time-Line (1-C | 6D):
A higher-order timeline that houses all lower timelines, including universes, macrocosms, and the Neutral Dimension itself. It functions as a (6D) structure, as it organizes and contains multiple temporalities and their intersections. When Goku Black tore space-time from one greater timeline to another greater timeline, he ended up connecting different Hyper-Time-Lines, thereby proving that he affected structures beyond (6D) by performing this connection. After all, the slash passed through a structure that contains infinite Hyper-Time-Lines.
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Dimension (R⁷):
The space that connects infinite hyper-timelines is classified as a 7D structure, as it functions as a medium that sustains and interlinks multiple higher-order timelines. This follows the same process mentioned earlier. An interesting detail about the Time Machine is that travel is not performed from time “x” to time “y”, but rather from dimension “x” to dimension “y.” As Bulma explained, if you shift by even the smallest possible difference in time, the connection to world “y” is lost, and you will fall into a completely different world. The infinitude of time preserves transfinite possibilities of parallel worlds.
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The 12 Universes: 2-C
The Neutral Zone: Low 1-C
The Hyper-Timeline: 1-C (6D)
The space between Hyper-Timelines: 1-C (7D)
Goku Black: 1-C (7D)
All characters at Goku Black’s level or above: 1-C (7D)
Dragon Ball game characters: 1-C (7D)
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If no one objects, I will open a thread about it someday. If you do object, then present your reasons; otherwise, don’t bother me.
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Yeah, don't. For the simple fact that you can't actually prove where Goku Blacks tear in spacetime opened to. And that doesn't mean he can just Nuke the entire hypertimeline, nor scale to it in any way. Pretty sure it'd be some sort of crazy range feat regardless with a greater level of spacetime manipulation.
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Brother didn't you genuinely get banned from making a threat at all or was this idea rejected?
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sexy jinsama is here to help
i do wonder why goku used seoi nage instead of tai otoshi which is much better suited against (theres still a limit) bigger guys. But still, what a beautiufl 掛け... he slipped underneath, pivoted his back to him, then dropped into a squat and exploded upward like theres no tomorrow. My man Goku is so elite.
I like that they included this waza ... but the best thing and pretty sure itz authors intent, how the animation was slowed down for effect, when broly was fully committing to a punch and goku was there with the right timing.
look at my man Broly and how easily he snaps through Gokus guard. Mad respect that Goku landed a tasty throw like that. Gokus right arm almost went to the other side of the universe
dbs ikari broly def at least 7 feet levels and dwarfs yujiro
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Mbpoops
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you were said to bring balance to dragon ball cosmology scaling not destroy it
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Also broly was like > x50 times above Goku in raw power. Idk how Goku was still above after taking this beatdown from broly of all people. Dude's durability and pain resistance is insanesexy jinsama is here to help
i do wonder why goku used seoi nage instead of tai otoshi which is much better suited against (theres still a limit) bigger guys. But still, what a beautiufl 掛け... he slipped underneath, pivoted his back to him, then dropped into a squat and exploded upward like theres no tomorrow. My man Goku is so elite.
I like that they included this waza ... but the best thing and pretty sure itz authors intent, how the animation was slowed down for effect, when broly was fully committing to a punch and goku was there with the right timing.
look at my man Broly and how easily he snaps through Gokus guard. Mad respect that Goku landed a tasty throw like that. Gokus right arm almost went to the other side of the universe
dbs ikari broly def at least 7 feet levels and dwarfs yujiro
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