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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

UnoRebaixadO said:
oh yes, I remember that

This shows that it is at a distance where not even teleportation that can go to other dimensions can access it.
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So, just a reminder that the kaioshins' teleportation is superior to Goku's and he can't get there, so the makai should be as far away as Zeno's dimension or even outside the 12 Universes.
 
MeiouHades said:
You do realize he's already 2-C right?
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Yes, but we say hes 2-C becouse he was also tearing apart the dimensional walls that kept other universes from colliding with each other, be it, walls that separate two or more Space-time continuums. Buuhan is 2-C becouse he was affecting the space-time of the living world too, not just destroying the walls.
 
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Toyotaro had to make the Black Freeza saga soon, it would be the best thing that happened in DBS and i can even see some mysteries about the time rooms being revealed about how they are made and so on.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Yes, but we say hes 2-C becouse he was also tearing apart the dimensional walls that kept other universes from colliding with each other, be it, walls that separate two or more Space-time continuums. Buuhan is 2-C becouse he was affecting the space-time of the living world too, not just destroying the walls.
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Then you could do the same thing for Gogeta DBS and Broly distorted space-time and broke through a dimensional barrier to enter the dimension
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Then you could do the same thing for Gogeta DBS and Broly distorted space-time and broke through a dimensional barrier to enter the dimension
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Right, people already said this feat was Low 2-C iirc? I think people already scaled this feat. I will make this crt later on this week then
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Yes, but we say hes 2-C becouse he was also tearing apart the dimensional walls that kept other universes from colliding with each other, be it, walls that separate two or more Space-time continuums. Buuhan is 2-C becouse he was affecting the space-time of the living world too, not just destroying the walls.
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Man what, I feel like there was no point in creating that crt, its just spacetime manip.
 
TiltedFN said:
Man what, I feel like there was no point in creating that crt, its just spacetime manip.
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It's not, I'm using the accepted analogy Ultima made to upgrade Buuhan, whose ki was warping the space-time of the living world and was destroying/tearing apart the dimensional walls, thus, if not stopped by Vegito, Buuhan would've destroyed said walls completely, and thus other dimensions would collide with the living realm. This is not simply making a small hole through space or anything, it's outright destroying the dimensional walls that separate two or more Space-Time continuums through AP, that certainly isn't hax. Atleast not in the context of DB characters destroying them with raw Ki alone. In this case GT Goku performed a similar feat but on lower scale
 
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Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
It's not, I'm using the accepted analogy Ultima made to upgrade Buuhan, whose ki was warping the space-time of the living world and was destroying/tearing apart the dimensional walls, thus, if not stopped by Vegito, Buuhan would've destroyed said walls completely, and thus other dimensions would collide with the living realm. This is not simply making a small hole through space or anything, it's outright destroying the dimensional walls that separate two or more Space-Time continuums through AP, that certainly isn't hax. Atleast not in the context of DB characters destroying them with raw Ki alone. In this case GT Goku performed a similar feat but on lower scale
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I never said it was hax, spacetime manip just means they can affect it. Gt goku destroying the dimensional barrier to escape doesn't do anything for him, it doesn't add anything new. And its NOT universal+, you completely misunderstood ultima's words and why buuhan is 2-C, and just the standards in general. Insteady, you made a pointless upgrade when you simply could've consulted with anyone in here first.
 
TiltedFN said:
Gt goku destroying the dimensional barrier to escape doesn't do anything for him, it doesn't add anything new.
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It does, you need power to destroy a barrier strong enough to hold two space-time continuums, and I'm working things out based on our accepted cosmology of the U7 Macrocosm. Regardless, its just for a extra-justification for his tiering. Unless you think Ultima's analogy is wrong.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
It does, you need power to destroy a barrier strong enough to hold two space-time continuums, and I'm working things out based on our accepted cosmology of the U7 Macrocosm. Regardless, its just for a extra-justification for his tiering. Unless you think Ultima's analogy is wrong.
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Ill explain to you why you're wrong once I get a chance.
 
I do wonder what makes people write multiple thousand words essays when it comes to some stuff like KI control? I mean there does exist proof hence why its a legit theory and with DBS // Goku v Beerus fight - It went from a legit theory to a scientific fact aproved by sexy Jinsama.

KI control isnt just reducing DC, its friking everything in Dragonball.

I aint a fully bloody debater nor do I like writing big essays, and sure as **** dont hate any verse (just the fanbases like GoH, OPM, Samurai 8 bunch of rednecks and wankers) ... so I will never understand :ROFLMAO:
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Debate Ultima first, cuz i'm basing my logic on his. This is so easy to grasp, lol.
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I don't have to debate ultima, no point when he's not the one that is wrong here. First of all, goku did not destroy spacetime on a universal scale. Even if he DID collapse the entire dimension, it still wouldn't be low 2-C, simply because we do not have the size of the dimension in the first place, which means it's an unquantifiable feat for goku and just further spacetime manipulation.

There being dimensional barriers between the suguroku space, and other universe sized dimensions doesn't make the feat tier 2 either. There are dimensional barriers separating the ROSAT and the realms of the macrocosm, is gotenks tier 2 because of that? No he isn't, your crt lacks all the evidence needed for the claims you made, it is objectively wrong based on our tiering system and standards.
 
MeiouHades said:
No, you're the one who made this CRT not Ultima. It's your job to defend it based on "his logic" that you claimed to have understood
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Fine ig, got two staff approvals for now. I also stated this becouse further in the discussion of that thread, this wall analogy was bringed up
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Fine ig, got two staff approvals for now. I also stated this becouse further in the discussion of that thread, this wall analogy was bringed up
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Based on my response to you, do you admit now that it doesn't qualify? If not, respond on why you still think it's correct.
 
TiltedFN said:
is gotenks tier 2 because of that? No he isn't, your crt lacks all the evidence needed for the claims you made, it is objectively wrong based on our tiering system and standards.
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Gotenks just made a hole through it, Goku utterly destroyed the whole wall as it was a fragile crystal. Now, as far as I remember, we did not take into account the size of the dimensional barriers Buuhan was breaking in order for them to rush into the Universe, now, obviously we based them on our current standarts depicting Toei's macrocosm. The fact that the Sugoroku space is a separate space-time from the Universe, means that it's barrier HAS to be strong enough to hold on the rest of the space-time contiuums of the Universe. Just breaking one of those walls should suffice. Mind you, Buuhan's feat is a amplified version of the vice-shout, and we accept it as raw power.
 
TiltedFN said:
Based on my response to you, do you admit now that it doesn't qualify? If not, respond on why you still think it's correct.
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I will see how my thread goes, if the next Staff members to comment disagree with it, then fine ig. But I will wait to see more Mod's opinions in the matter. Since right now I got 2 staff votes.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Gotenks just made a hole through it, Goku utterly destroyed the whole wall as it was a fragile crystal. Now, as far as I remember, we did not take into account the size of the dimensional barriers Buuhan was breaking in order for them to rush into the Universe, now, obviously we based them on our current standarts depicting Toei's macrocosm. The fact that the Sugoroku space is a separate space-time from the Universe, means that it's barrier HAS to be strong enough to hold on the rest of the space-time contiuums of the Universe. Just breaking one of those walls should suffice. Mind you, Buuhan's feat is a amplified version of the vice-shout, and we accept it as raw power.
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What in the world are you taking about? The suguroku space isn't HOLDING anything, it's literally just a separate spacetime from the other spacetimes of the macrocosm. It doesn't matter if goku destroyed the wall separating them from the inbetween space, it is objectively an insignificant feat on its own. The dimension is not universal in size, and it collapsed by itself. And the feat gotenks did was similar enough, blowing a hole through it, destroying a portion of spacetime to escape, its the same thing. Buuhan was breaking the spacetime of the ENTIRE MACROCOSM and all its dimensions which are universal in size. He wasn't just affecting a small portion of it, he was doing this on a universal scale, you have yet to prove GTKU is doing the same thing. If you won't concede, then I'll just have to go into the thread myself and apply real scrutiny to your claims.
 
TiltedFN said:
What in the world are you taking about? The suguroku space isn't HOLDING anything, it's literally just a separate spacetime from the other spacetimes of the macrocosm. It doesn't matter if goku destroyed the wall separating them from the inbetween space, it is objectively an insignificant feat on its own. The dimension is not universal in size, and it collapsed by itself. And the feat gotenks did was similar enough, blowing a hole through it, destroying a portion of spacetime to escape, its the same thing. Buuhan was breaking the spacetime of the ENTIRE MACROCOSM and all its dimensions which are universal in size. He wasn't just affecting a small portion of it, he was doing this on a universal scale, you have yet to prove GTKU is doing the same thing. If you won't concede, then I'll just have to go into the thread myself and apply real scrutiny to your claims.
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I concede, but I will wait to see more Staff commenting. Like, I'm not saying you aare wrong, I just want to see more opinions.
 
TiltedFN said:
If you concede, shut the thread down, you can't just proceed with a wrong thread, that's dishonest.
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I'm just saying that 2 Knowleadgable staff members agreed, and other knowledageable db fans aswell. I gave the full context of the feat without missing anything. That's why, I'm not yet to dismiss it unless other Staff comes in and says it's wrong. I asked various Staff members to reply. If just one Staff member disagrees, I will shut down the thread, I promise.
 
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Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
I'm just saying that 2 Knowleadgable staff members agreed, and other knowledageable db fans aswell. I gave the full context of the feat without missing anything. That's why, I'm not yet to dismiss it unless other Staff comes in and says it's wrong. I asked various Staff members to reply. If just one Staff member disagrees, I will shut down the thread, I promise.
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My dude, if you concede, that means you know there's something wrong. Continuing a thread on a false premise can be a serious rule violation. Ask for it to be closed immediately. We're not asking for a promise we're asking you to follow rules
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Done, I messaged a Thread Mod to close the thread. Jesus, why I had to fail this crt too. Sorry for all of this btw.
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Rushing a CRT is what causes this. Had you talked to the supporters and knowledgeable members before doing anything, it wouldn't happen. Successful CRTs are always a joint effort not a solo task.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
I'm just saying that 2 Knowleadgable staff members agreed, and other knowledageable db fans aswell. I gave the full context of the feat without missing anything. That's why, I'm not yet to dismiss it unless other Staff comes in and says it's wrong. I asked various Staff members to reply. If just one Staff member disagrees, I will shut down the thread, I promise.
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For the record, I'm not sure how so many people agreed.

It seems obvious to me that destroying a "barrier" between universes is not even remotely the same thing as destroying an entire universe.
 
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