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man that sounds like the most weird thing ever.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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one thing is holding oxygen, and the other is talking in space (yes i know fiction is not realistic with this in the 98%of the times, but come on man)
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Goku has superhuman stamina; he should be able to survive in space for a while.
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But he was never in space...like NEVER (no the time he went to the Moon with the rabbit Boss does not count)
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Goku has been in space, yes, but it was only 1 or 2 seconds before he used the teleportation to another world
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there is live on that asteroid, squid live, and there is literraly galactic patrol members on that asteroid.
they are not even wearing helmets, man they clearly have oxygen
StarShooter80
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Why would those alien squids need oxygen lol
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just because you say so?
That moon didn’t have an atmosphere or any kind of air. There’s no way such a small moon could have oxygen.
And those characters on the moon were aliens, why would they even need oxygen in the first place?
I know that Saiyans can't survive in space for long periods, but that doesn't mean they can't survive in it at all.
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Same reason why Saiyans need oxygen even when they are aliens, to be able to live.
just because someone is a alien it does not mean they have to not require whatever we use to live, some of them don't, some of them do.
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and there is also no way it has live...oh wait, but it does have live.
and again, even Saiyans need oxygen to live, just because someone is a alien in fiction, it does not mean they don't need oxygen, unless they show they can be in space without needing to hold their breath or use protection.
If that were the case, then they wouldn't have any problems with being temporarily in space for a couple of seconds holding their breath, but not even that, they simply wouldn't go into space under any circumstances.
StarShooter80
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And yet you lack the evidence to prove this random alien race on an aestroid needs oxygen. There are other alien species that can actually breath in space, saying need to cause “oh Saiyans are aliens too” is a false equivalence
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and you lack evidence for that, because we know there are explicity examples of aliens being able to survive in Space (Frieza literraly was alive in space, Gas flew to the Cerial planet), but for saiyans it is explicit that they can't survive on space.
so you just go with the most logical thing that happens here...there is oxygen there.
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I never said that Saiyans don't need oxygen.
But I don't get why you're only focusing on oxygen, it's just one part of the problem.
Cosmic radiation and the extreme cold of space can kill a character just as easily
When Goku landed on that small moon, he didn’t start freezing, and the cosmic radiation didn’t harm him either.
There are moons out there that are even larger than the one shown in the story, and they still don’t have any atmosphere or oxygen.
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so you are basically saying that they can also die from the radiation?
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Yes, if Saiyans stay in space for too long, they’ll either die from lack of oxygen or from cosmic radiation.
I don’t think the cold is the main issue here.
Overall, the fact that Saiyans can’t survive in space for extended periods doesn’t mean they can’t go into space at all.
They can, but they need to get out quickly.
Something along these lines is even mentioned in the "Weaknesses" section of Goku’s profile.
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I don't think being in space is a weakness, it's like we have to mention that without oxygen you can die... everyone knows that.
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Humans like you and me would die in less than a second if we went into space.
Saiyans face the same problem, but they don’t die instantly like we would they’re much tougher and more resilient than humans.
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I hope you realize that I do understand not being able to breathe is a big issue for Saiyans, and I’ve never said they don’t need oxygen
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actually it will be like 10 or 15 seconds
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I'm sure that if someone with no resistance to the vacuum of space were to stay in it for 2 seconds (like humans, for example), that person would probably have after-effects for the rest of their life.
The vacuum would explode your lungs if you tried to retain oxygen and your body fluids would evaporate in the first 1~2 seconds (including internal fluids).
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you will die in like, 10 seconds
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Yes, I'm not saying that the person would die instantly (in fact, they probably would, due to internal damage), but I'm saying that Goku didn't show any negative symptoms afterward.
There are several scenes where Goku spends a few seconds in the vacuum of space, and that would be enough to cause terrible damage in the first few seconds.
Goku may not have demonstrated the ability to stay in space for long periods, but from what he has demonstrated, the vacuum certainly acts much less violently on him.
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Saiyans can't survive in the vacuum of space. Why make it more complicated that this lmao
When?
StarShooter80
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The aliens survive on a random aestroid, in space, hence why the aliens have space survival. There is nothing that proves this alien race in particular can’t survive in space, so I have no reason to think otherwise
I’m not saying Saiyans can survive in space 100%, it’s inconsistent, it’s just that in this instance Goku is very much surviving in space
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Whis once released Goku into space for a few seconds in DBS episode 59 and Goku showed no problem.
Goku once jumped into space to save Android 17.
Goten and Trunks have survived in space (although they were frozen).
There must be many other examples.
I think the Saiyans avoid space not because of the vacuum, but because of the lack of oxygen, There are several examples that support this, if Goku didn't have vacuum resistance like humans, his lungs would explode and his body fluids would evaporate in the first 2 seconds.
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In the manga
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there is also no proof for that, mostly because, again, Saiyans can't be in space, and if they can be there, then it means that there is oxygen.
it is not inconsistent, actually it is very consistent that they can't survive in space, and all the instances where they are in "space"are either so brief that it is ridiculous, or are a inconsistency on itself (Goku going to the moon has a child generates another inconsistency, that is, that he should have trasnformed into ozaru, he was literraly LOOKING AT THE MOON, or should have been looking at the moon for that.)
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So there’s oxygen here too? Seriously?
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I know it sounds silly, but shouldn't you first ask yourself what makes oxygen exist?
There are no trees on that asteroid (which is a characteristic that all planets with oxygen in Dragon Ball have) or any sign of a possible biological process that generates oxygen
It is literally an asteroid with nothing in it, completely flat
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i mean there is also oxygen in the time chamber...another dimension that has a white background
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we don't even fully see it, because it is just a battle ground for them and nothing more.
also many of the logistics don't make sense, like, planet namek is a big planet, way bigger than earth, but it has the same gravity of earth considering that Bulma can walk there and she is not instantly crushed
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I think there is a difference between a dimension created by a deity with magical powers and an erased timeline
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i don't think being in a erased timeline should give you anything unless you were there from the start, or when the timeline was nuked.I think there is a difference between a dimension created by a deity with magical powers and an erased timeline
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Unfortunately, he will never find out the difference.I think there is a difference between a dimension created by a deity with magical powers and an erased timeline
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Bro, either he doesn’t want to admit it, or he knows and still insists on denying it.
We all know that Saiyans can’t survive in space for long,
but there’s clear evidence that throughout the story, Goku has encountered space multiple times and managed to survive for at least a few seconds.
I don’t understand why some people think Saiyans die the instant they enter space.
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Man...
I realy hate this topic
I realy hate this topic
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but I think this is a false symmetry
we learn about the process of photosynthesis in elementary school
the laws of gravity and the functionality between celestial bodies is something more complex in addition, we have a broad view of the asteroid when Goku crosses it with a ki power, and we see that it really has absolutely nothing
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That’s not evidence against the astroid having no oxygen, your argument is circular
lol
That inconsistency has nothing to do with Goku surviving on the moon, so it’s a non-factor, plus Goku needs to look at a full moon
