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trust me bro. Akira wrote a story that follows its own unique storyline and doesn't follow the story that he made and decided to continue years later
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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I know a lot of other supporters are tired of these out of nowhere arbitrary burdens of proof put upon us that has no precedent in the site's standards.
'Erm, what's your proof?'
'Basic fcking reasoning.'
'Erm, what's your proof?'
'Basic fcking reasoning.'
RoninSlayer200
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The burden of proof is on you here; you have to prove that Daima isn't canon to Z/Kai or Super. There is like zero reason why it's not (If you gonna say Kibitoshin contradiction, don't, because they can always fuse later so this isn't a good argument)
We all know why GT isn't canon. I don't need to say anything more about that.
Honestly, I think you're overthinking about what's canon and what's not. I'm sure Toriyama and the others who worked on Dragon Ball didn't care about that as much, so maybe you shouldn't either.
Anyway, won't reply further, agree to disagree.
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Erm, but you need proof for that too obviously.
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Oh i see the confusion, i worded badly, what i meant to say is that, for the ongoing drama after the first message, engaging and doing the same thing the troll is doing is also your fault, after that point, not that it is your fault in general for the entire situation
those two are literally "Dragon Ball Super" movies..........Daima isn't even slightly comparable to those at all since it doesn't have the "Dragon Ball Super" title to it nor is it a direct continuation of it like the 2 movies are
No, if one affirms something is canon, one needs to prove that, being technical, the DBS Anime already is another continuitu from the DB and DBS Manga, which is different from DBZ Toei's continuity, so one would need proof of which continuity Daima is in
One doesn't need to prove a negative, if a side is with the positive "it is in the same continuity as the DBS anime" or "it is in the same continuity as the DBS anime and DBS Manga" then one needs to prove that
More over, one needs to prove which continuity Daima is a sequel to, the DB Manga or the DBZKAI anime or the Toei Anime? Cuz that would matter as well
......who said that it isn't canon to the Dbz manga? I sure didn't, that is the one thing i am certain it is canon to, it mentions events of it afterall
Which is why i am asking
..........the movies are literally "DRAGON BALL SUPER" movies that directly mention events from DBS........Daima is nothing like that, at most it has the "12 Universes" mentioned, but that was a thing since DBZ with the Battle of Gods movie
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it is canon to Z, i don't need to prove something i never said lol
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Omega idk what to tell you. Your wrong, the franchise has been like this sense super came out to convince me that has changed would require direct word from toei staff.
You have to prove the franchise dosen't work the way it has for years. The title dosen't matter, it is a dragonball story the assumption is its canon is in line with the other dragonball storys from this era.
You have to prove the franchise dosen't work the way it has for years. The title dosen't matter, it is a dragonball story the assumption is its canon is in line with the other dragonball storys from this era.
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It doesn't matter that Broly and Superhero were DBS, they are still offical animated Dragon Ball content written by the author himself. Both of which take place in the Kai, Super anime continuity.
Daima not being called Dragon Ball Super Daima is not an arguement whatsoever. Toei is treating the Kai and Super anime as the default continuity, and we have no statements there is anything different.
Omega for the love of God stop dodging the responsibility of making an arguement. I'm trying to be good faith but it feels like you are being purposely obtuse.
'I don't need to prove a negative' is bullshit. You are trying to make the claim that Daima isn't canon to Kai and Super anime. Prove it. You haven't so far, you have just dumped the burden on me. That's unproductive.
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I mean......it is canon to the main continuity (the DB Manga), that i never questioned
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If you reply with another stone wall with semantics about titles and 'I don't need to prove a negative', I'm not going to bother replying because you clearly don't want to listen and just want to be obtuse. Your reasoning is shallow and baseless.
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The super anime and manga continuitys are equally "the main canon" at this point.
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Can you guys shut up about If Daima is Canon or not, you all starting to repeating yourselfs with the same arguments.
"Daima is canon to Super"
"What about the Fusion contradiction?"
"They gonna do another Fusion later down, don't worry"
You people did this like, 3 times already, is getting annoying.
"Daima is canon to Super"
"What about the Fusion contradiction?"
"They gonna do another Fusion later down, don't worry"
You people did this like, 3 times already, is getting annoying.
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This. Both are basically equally canon atp, and Toei clearly favors the anime continuity.
Both Broly and Superhero, works written by Toriyama that came out after the anime ended, take place in the anime timeline.
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If someone claims it's not canon. Someone else has to correct it. That is just how it is.
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Now I am more then happy to change the subject to gushing/talking about the composite dragonball character if anyone is into that
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This is such a pointless discussion. Daima as of now should be treated as canon since it references events canon to the manga and is made with the guidance of Akira Toriyama. We have not once ever deemed an Akira Toriyama project as non canon and when we did it’s because other projects came out to retcon it (BoG and RoF for example) to which the latter is canon but only to the manga
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If we are all willing to move on from the Daima argument right now, yeah, sure
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Yeah, cause they literally say as much in the movies themselves, yes..........DBS Super Hero isn't canon to the DBS Manga/DB Manga however, so......
never was, it was just me poiting out an obvious detail that nails down what the story of the movies makes crystal clear
uhhh no, they decided to continue the DBS Anime continuity with movies that make clear they are continuations of the Anime.......didn't saw anything about it being the "default" continuity for them, no, least i didn't saw anything about it
but.....you are the one who did the argument about it being canon not only to the DB Manga, but to like 3 different continuities at once......how it is i that am dodging responsability? I never made an argument that it can't or isn't canon to any particular continuity, only that we have no proof either way so we can't just assume
Nope, i merely said that there isn't proof that it is canon to the DBS Anime continuity
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"Main canon" is an arbitrary term anyway, remove the term and my answer stays the same
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I mean........the DBS Anime is still not canon to the manga, that hasn't changed
Fezzih_007
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I don't actually care about how you think you are objectively correct in saying is Canon, what I saying for you to stop arguing If you gonna repeat the same arguments.
Would It include the games? Also, can we count Arale?
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That is the point "non canon" to what? Yeah, Daima is canon........but to which continuity?
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I would like that, thank you very much
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Yes and yes
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He'd have the size of super shenron and all the powers of buu
Fezzih_007
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Well, so they have a Lot of passives hax with different effects which includes Plot Manipulation, and they all 5D. And have High-Godly Regen. They still don't have Conceptual Manipulation.
I don't think that change much in level of Power. Like, is enough to solo they own verse, the verses that DB loses are still getting defeated.
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Superhero isnt canon to the manga cause it has its own version of Superhero. Daima doesn't. This is an empty arguement. Bringing up the Super in Dragon Ball Super also doesn't work because Daima takes place before Super so it not being named Dragon Ball Super Daima is not an arguement. And if you know it's not an arguement, don't bring it up.
I mentioned it being possible to be canon to all three continuity as a side point, my main point was pretty damn clear that it's canon to the Kai and Super anime due to how Broly and Superhero are treated. This is the only precedence we have, it's the only thing we have to go on. Offical animated works written by Toriyama after the anime ended. We know for a fact Toei favors the anime because it presented the movies Toriyama wrote as a part of the anime continuity.
So yes, when you offer absolutely no counter arguement to all of that and just say 'I don't have to prove a negative' when I was clear from the start Daima would be canon to Kai and Super anime due to precedence of the previous works of similar nature, that is you dodging responsability.
I never argued the DBS anime was canon to the manga.
What you are doing is saying 'oh we need proof it's canon to things but I'm not really going to help figure out what', then ignoring the argument put forward that proves Daima is reasonably apart of the Kai Super anime continuity.
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I'm done talking about this, we can move on now, but that's really frustrating dishonest nitpicking.
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If daimia gets a ark in the manga like geekdom said one time it would, will that end this? If that is the manga version the animated version therefore must be- for the anime
Eden_Warlock99
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I believe it being in the Kai/Super Anime Continuety means we need to remove Fissionism from Manga Buu's page (I don't know if it was ever added, but I remember there was a CRT).
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We don't it's in both unless a massive revision gose through that is the current interpretation the profiles use
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Plot is the most stolen skill ever created, i believe it is impossible to beat someone who has plot unless someone who has plot
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Don't we have a statement that a character from Daima will appear in Super?
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Also consider, with a body the size of super shenron and buus ablitys to make mini hims, you could make untold trillions of bodys the size of a normal fighter
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As Daima is i find difficult to believe they would go back literal several years into the past instead of just.....continuing with Black Freeza stuff
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I bet the writier following toryama would thank heaven for another opportunity to delay going forward without him tbh he's clearing trying to use as much time as possible to get black frieza right.
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O hey I have an old blog post for a dragonball page I made forever ago i didn't upload (it's from the dragon ball anime)
What do you think of these? There super old https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkmon_cns/Saving_page
What do you think of these? There super old https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkmon_cns/Saving_page
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I mean he was collecting data sense before piccolo showed up, I find it highly unlikely that tien yancha and krillon weren't used
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well at least your guy had some swag
ive seen someone with a shirt with this here printed: |z|∙e^{i∙φ} =: r∙e^{i∙φ}
i always welcome science brothers, but dont make that shit so obivous
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