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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Sparking Zero is genuinely the most enjoyable game I've played since my first Elden Ring playthrough.

These what-if scenarios are SICK though they don't change as much of the story as I'd have hoped.
 
Sparking Zero is genuinely the most enjoyable game I've played since my first Elden Ring playthrough.

These what-if scenarios are SICK though they don't change as much of the story as I'd have hoped.
I mean...forgivable, since you can now MAKE AS MANY WHAT IFS AS YOU CAN IMAGINE
.....sick move....just, briliant sick move
 
I love Sparking Zero so god damn much.

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Also, it's unfortunate that the Extinction Bomb was introduced/only canon to the Manga and Super, since the Galactic Patrol is also canon to Toei. (Nutz, Turles' henchmen, explicitly was broken out of one of their facilities according to the Toei informational Pamphlet, which gets referenced in XV2 with an interaction between Turles and Jaco.)
 
I'm absolutely convinced the Sparking Zero Devs scoured through DBtubers content for ideas, the similarities are too much to be a coincidence.
 
Alright, i found an inconsistency with the Cell Saga concerning time travel.

This is the chain of events occurred during the Cell Saga:

As you can see, there are a total of four timelines:
• T1 (the original, where Cell came from)
• T2 (never seen in the manga, but it does exist)
• T3 (where the main storyline takes place)
• T4 (where "Trunks" kills "Cell")

The problem begins when T4 is created. Shouldn't "Trunks" find another variant of himself living there? T4 was an identical copy of T1 right until the moment "Trunks" arrived there (at which point both timelines branched off)
 
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Alright, i found an inconsistency with the Cell Saga concerning time travel.

This is the chain of events occurred during the Cell Saga:

As you can see, there are a total of four timelines:
• T1 (the original, where Cell came from)
• T2 (never seen in the manga, but it does exist)
• T3 (where the main storyline takes place)
• T4 (where Trunks kills Cell)

The problem begins when T4 is created. Shouldn't Trunks find a other variant of himself living there? T4 was an identical copy of T1 right until the moment "Trunks" arrived there (at which point both timelines branched off)
It's said going through time made a connection between his time and that time, it's also why Trunks shows up late and missed android 19 and 20, he had to actual spend the several years in his timeline before coming back to help, Trunks did not return to timeline 4, he returned to timeline 2
 
Nah. That feat’s level of power would be reserved for characters who scale above Kai/Buuhan in Kai, which is no one.
Vegito aside, this depends on if the Kid Buu > Buuhan scaling of Toei makes it to Kai as well. That would make SSJ3 (and SSJ2?) Goku in DBS already 2-C at the beginning of BOG.

Personally not a fan, but apparently Kai has evidence for it.
 
I mean...forgivable, since you can now MAKE AS MANY WHAT IFS AS YOU CAN IMAGINE
.....sick move....just, briliant sick move
I mean in the episode mode. Like the actual campaign story mode has what-ifs. Only one I've gotten so far is where Piccolo intervenes during 19 Vs. Goku, which significantly changes the timeline, leading to a scenario where Piccolo trains with Gohan in the time chamber and is ultimately strong enough to somewhat contend with Perfect Cell and even hold back Super Perfect Cell while Gohan heals, in addition to nerfing Gohan during the Cell fight due to him not having a rage boost because you, as Piccolo, can have Gohan train his mind to become calmer.
 
I mean in the episode mode. Like the actual campaign story mode has what-ifs. Only one I've gotten so far is where Piccolo intervenes during 19 Vs. Goku, which significantly changes the timeline, leading to a scenario where Piccolo trains with Gohan in the time chamber and is ultimately strong enough to somewhat contend with Perfect Cell and even hold back Super Perfect Cell while Gohan heals, in addition to nerfing Gohan during the Cell fight due to him not having a rage boost because you, as Piccolo, can have Gohan train his mind to become calmer.
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I mean in the episode mode. Like the actual campaign story mode has what-ifs. Only one I've gotten so far is where Piccolo intervenes during 19 Vs. Goku, which significantly changes the timeline, leading to a scenario where Piccolo trains with Gohan in the time chamber and is ultimately strong enough to somewhat contend with Perfect Cell and even hold back Super Perfect Cell while Gohan heals, in addition to nerfing Gohan during the Cell fight due to him not having a rage boost because you, as Piccolo, can have Gohan train his mind to become calmer.
Goku has two:
  1. Fight and defeat Raditz alone within 90 seconds; Goku survives and trains with the Z-Fighters but dies against Vegeta, then he trains with King Kai and is revived, then Frieza and the Ginyu Force invade Earth, and Goku and Vegeta team up to fight him.
  2. Fight Raditz with Piccolo within 90 seconds; Goku survives but is defeated by Nappa, receives a Zenkai Boost after eating a Senzu Bean, then becomes a Super Saiyan against Great Ape Vegeta after Krillin dies, then he goes to Namek and ends up fighting Super Saiyan Vegeta after he kills Frieza off-screen.
 
It's said going through time made a connection between his time and that time, it's also why Trunks shows up late and missed android 19 and 20, he had to actual spend the several years in his timeline before coming back to help
This doesn't change the fact that Trunks created a new timeline after leaving the present. And that new timeline would already have it's own Trunks.

Trunks did not return to timeline 4, he returned to timeline 2
Timeline 2 is not the future, it's an unseen timeline nearly identical to the third one (where DBS happens)
 
Yeah.
He was confident that he'd be able to win the 25th World Tournament without going SSJ, despite the fact that Piccolo and 18 were participating.
Dabura mentioned that him, Vegeta and Gohan had enough Ki to potentially resurrect Buu, but completely ignored Piccolo.
Shin claimed that he could one-shot Frieza, but was scared of Pui Pui and Yakon, who Base Vegeta and Goku could easily beat.
But does Shin knows about Frieza’s 100% max power? also I could had sworn that they said no SSJ forms cause that would have them stand out and they don’t want spotlight
 
This doesn't change the fact that Trunks created a new timeline after leaving the present. And that new timeline would already have it's own Trunks.


Timeline 2 is not the future, it's an unseen timeline nearly identical to the third one (where DBS happens)
That aside it dosen't change the fact Trunks time traveling back home dosen't make new timelines, he was in fact going home the very same world which he left.
 
That aside it dosen't change the fact Trunks time traveling back home dosen't make new timelines, he was in fact going home the very same world which he left.
Future Trunks doesn't have a home timeline, he popped from thin air into Timeline 3 because he's a copy of Timeline 1 Trunks, who popped into Timeline 2. And just like Timeline 1 Trunks he tried to return to Timeline 1, but instead he created another timeline where he knows Cell will try to steal his Time Machine.
 
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Future Trunks doesn't have a home timeline, he popped from thin air into Timeline 3 because he's a copy of Timeline 1 Trunks, who popped into Timeline 2. And just like Timeline 1 Trunks he tried to return to Timeline 1, but instead he created another timeline where he knows Cell will try to steal his Time Machine.
Aa far as I'm aware your just wrong if trunks had just popped in from thin air he wouldn't have been able to return to his future, the express reason he was able to do that is because the act of going back to the past made a connection between the 2 worlds. He has to have a timeline he came from.
 
Aa far as I'm aware your just wrong if trunks had just popped in from thin air he wouldn't have been able to return to his future, the express reason he was able to do that is because the act of going back to the past made a connection between the 2 worlds. He has to have a timeline he came from.
The only rational way to look at this is that Cell going back also created an alternate version of the future timeline to allow Trunks to have a home to return too.
 
Interestingly, in the Battle of Gods guide that goes over "all the information you need to understand the movie," which has a Toriyama's direct involvement, quote...

Original work/story/character design Akira Toriyama dragon ball legend
The first new movie in about 17 years, “Dragon Ball Z: God and God”! Introducing the story. You can enjoy the movie even more by reading this book, which includes a variety of content such as Toriyama's rough illustrations and explanations of the "Dragon Ball" world!!

...has filler events from the Z-Anime, notably mostly Toriyama sourced content like the Kai Hierarchy, Pikkon, and most notably, the Bardock considered Goku's father. Toei's.

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This is interesting, because Dragon Ball Minus and it's retcon happened in April 2014, whereas this Guide was released in conjunction with the Battle of Gods film in March 2013.

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"Thorough special feature just before release
Story & Character Explanation
Rough drawings drawn by Akira Toriyama for the movie version released
If you read it, you'll enjoy the movie even more! Basic knowledge of "Dragon Ball"
Masako Nozawa exclusive interview
Akira Toriyama special interview

March 30th Super expanded release nationwide."

This implies Toei Bardock was considered canon in relevance to the manga (as Toriyama went on record to say he made the film with the manga in mind) until he literally changed his mind within that year whilst coming up with Jaco the Patrolman. So it wasn't even something Toriyama had in mind when he worked on Battle of Gods, which is interesting to me. Also it implies that some of the filler events are in fact manga canon events, which we already kind of know, but it's interesting to see in "real time" how Toriyama considered how much of the Anime's content was in the Manga.
 
Interestingly, in the Battle of Gods guide that goes over "all the information you need to understand the movie," which has a Toriyama's direct involvement, quote...

Original work/story/character design Akira Toriyama dragon ball legend
The first new movie in about 17 years, “Dragon Ball Z: God and God”! Introducing the story. You can enjoy the movie even more by reading this book, which includes a variety of content such as Toriyama's rough illustrations and explanations of the "Dragon Ball" world!!

...has filler events from the Z-Anime, notably mostly Toriyama sourced content like the Kai Hierarchy, Pikkon, and most notably, the Bardock considered Goku's father. Toei's.

Screenshot-20240518-214024-Instasize.jpg


This is interesting, because Dragon Ball Minus and it's retcon happened in April 2014, whereas this Guide was released in conjunction with the Battle of Gods film in March 2013.

cover.jpg


"Thorough special feature just before release
Story & Character Explanation
Rough drawings drawn by Akira Toriyama for the movie version released
If you read it, you'll enjoy the movie even more! Basic knowledge of "Dragon Ball"
Masako Nozawa exclusive interview
Akira Toriyama special interview

March 30th Super expanded release nationwide."

This implies Toei Bardock was considered canon in relevance to the manga (as Toriyama went on record to say he made the film with the manga in mind) until he literally changed his mind within that year whilst coming up with Jaco the Patrolman. So it wasn't even something Toriyama had in mind when he worked on Battle of Gods, which is interesting to me. Also it implies that some of the filler events are in fact manga canon events, which we already kind of know, but it's interesting to see in "real time" how Toriyama considered how much of the Anime's content was in the Manga.
Everyone changes their mind, nothing stays the same.
 
Tbh I legit think the current official canon just has the bardock special and minus co existing hence both being referenced in the movie.

I understand this dosen't make sense but I'm sure it's the offical thing
 
The only rational way to look at this is that Cell going back also created an alternate version of the future timeline to allow Trunks to have a home to return too.
I guess that makes sense, Cell's trip to the past created an alternate future for Trunks to have a home he could return to because he has to return somewhere. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.
 
oh. yeah, dude. don't worry. i just don't really know what to do here at the moment.
Well, you could help or oppose me on my efforts to get the Toei stuff in order. Currently I'm using this blog I created compiling how the movies themselves explicitly connect to each other and how there are more instances of film stuff within the Anime Continuity to try and get the Z films into the Z-Anime's Canon. Then I'm intending to finish working on the GT profile for Goku and get deeper into the other Toei Characters to fix their affairs too. (Ex. Toei Frieza and Toei Cell in GT should NOT be 2-C in my opinion. While they did train and get stronger, there's no reason to presume they got to that level, especially when the only 2-C character they fight casually defeats them)
 
Social Influencing; Instigating Fear.

Jeice cannot sense Ki, but he and Burter—only moments prior—were countered and blasted away without effort.
He, and Burter, felt fear in Goku's stillness, having understood his capabilities, even if only instinctively.
Doesn't this happen in the Original Anime as well? In the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai?
 
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