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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Yes.
Accelerated_Evolution
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Yes, but in the moments that they are fighting with "transformations with infinite speed" they still take minutes to defeat other fighters
From what feat?
Luffy, an infinite speed character can perform any action that takes finite time in 0 time or infinite actions in a finite amount of time, Goku and others who fought him in the ToP showed nothing that qualifies for any of the requirements for speed infinite
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Dont we also have infinite speed characters who have it for moving a infinite distance in finite time
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Well yeah, but that's only while there doing the feat of travel
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There's plenty of characters whose speed rating is infinite who don't appear as infinite in speed to the casual viewer
The rating is logistically stupid because 99% of the site doesn't appear as infinite to someone not used to the powerscaling scene (not that I'm complaining cuz infinite speed GoW is based)
The rating is logistically stupid because 99% of the site doesn't appear as infinite to someone not used to the powerscaling scene (not that I'm complaining cuz infinite speed GoW is based)
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Genuinely immeasurable/infinite characters don't exist. This shit is never consistent, there is always anti-feats
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It's the one I honestly like the least, I recommend the dubbing in Mexican Spanish (Listen to Gohan SSJ2's scream when he sees N16 die, it's a masterpiece)
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That's because you haven't seen the dubbing in Portuguese (what a bad dubbing).
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I find the things they say about her very funnyYes, I have listened to the Portuguese dubbing
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Any signs of releasing this battle with subtitles? As soon as you have subtitles in Portuguese, send me
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Everything I wanted most
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Toyotaro gonna ask Toei to put in infinite undiscovered worlds across the demon realm with their own time room and a time room for the entire macrocosm
trust
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daima gonna make all the realms connected.
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Tied in speed,
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Just watched it.
The actual fight was lit af and REALLY good, imo the best Death Battle animation ever and probably the best Goku Vs. Superman fan animation I've seen, with only a few contenders. That alone genuinely makes me happy with this Death Battle it was SICK, and I LOVED the dialogue and interactions, especially how it ended. I think it's very narratively fitting, and the way they explained who the characters are and what they're written for was a nice touch. I agree that, from a NARRATIVE PERSPECTIVE, Goku will never beat Superman. Goku's whole shtick is that he's a guy who challenges himself and breaks his limits to strive higher levels. Superman is literally a Gary Stue comfort character that can just do whatever he wants. Honestly, Superman is pretty much a gag character who just has a lot of serious comics. Not saying that means he wins in an actual debate obviously, but from a writing/narrative standpoint I agree with Death Battle on that end.
In terms of the research/stat sections, most of it wasn't too bad though questionable spots here and there especially for Goku, and they mentioned literally 0 of Goku's abilities from Heroes despite Instant Transmission being more OP, but the power section is extremely disappointing. ONCE AGAIN, as I literally called earlier, Death Battle refuses to use any terms outside of what casual audiences could easily understand. They will never use terms like "multiversal" (at least not properly anyways), let alone "low complex multiversal" and so on. They'll mention dimensional tiering on very, very rare occasions, but only when it is something explicitly stated and shown or if it's something they think is fitting for the character they're talking about. For example, no one, even casual audiences, will have trouble understanding the Marvel abstracts like Eternity and such as higher-dimensional beings, but when you argue about Goku having 4D, 5D etc. power levels, that's when it becomes, at least in Death Battle's eyes, harder for casual viewers to understand or agree with, and Death Battle is afraid of that, so they just dumb it down to "This guy can destroy this many universes, but this guy can destroy way more!". Therefor taking away accuracy and detail just to appeal to a broader audience.
And the fact that they said they'd use Heroes and then literally ignored Heroes for like 95% of the scaling is almost offensively disappointing...like wtf. It's funny cause they talked about how Superman killed a multiversal being and destroyed said multiverse with one punch, but didn't even MENTION the MULTITUDES of multiversal threats Goku has faced in Dragon Ball Heroes and Xenoverse. Like what the actual f*ck DB???
Anyways, besides some scaling grievances I think they covered a lot of stuff pretty well (if they left out Heroes and sticked to canon it would've summed up most of Goku's combat capabilities, but power would still be a bit lacking), and the actual fight was legendary and deserves praise.
The actual fight was lit af and REALLY good, imo the best Death Battle animation ever and probably the best Goku Vs. Superman fan animation I've seen, with only a few contenders. That alone genuinely makes me happy with this Death Battle it was SICK, and I LOVED the dialogue and interactions, especially how it ended. I think it's very narratively fitting, and the way they explained who the characters are and what they're written for was a nice touch. I agree that, from a NARRATIVE PERSPECTIVE, Goku will never beat Superman. Goku's whole shtick is that he's a guy who challenges himself and breaks his limits to strive higher levels. Superman is literally a Gary Stue comfort character that can just do whatever he wants. Honestly, Superman is pretty much a gag character who just has a lot of serious comics. Not saying that means he wins in an actual debate obviously, but from a writing/narrative standpoint I agree with Death Battle on that end.
In terms of the research/stat sections, most of it wasn't too bad though questionable spots here and there especially for Goku, and they mentioned literally 0 of Goku's abilities from Heroes despite Instant Transmission being more OP, but the power section is extremely disappointing. ONCE AGAIN, as I literally called earlier, Death Battle refuses to use any terms outside of what casual audiences could easily understand. They will never use terms like "multiversal" (at least not properly anyways), let alone "low complex multiversal" and so on. They'll mention dimensional tiering on very, very rare occasions, but only when it is something explicitly stated and shown or if it's something they think is fitting for the character they're talking about. For example, no one, even casual audiences, will have trouble understanding the Marvel abstracts like Eternity and such as higher-dimensional beings, but when you argue about Goku having 4D, 5D etc. power levels, that's when it becomes, at least in Death Battle's eyes, harder for casual viewers to understand or agree with, and Death Battle is afraid of that, so they just dumb it down to "This guy can destroy this many universes, but this guy can destroy way more!". Therefor taking away accuracy and detail just to appeal to a broader audience.
And the fact that they said they'd use Heroes and then literally ignored Heroes for like 95% of the scaling is almost offensively disappointing...like wtf. It's funny cause they talked about how Superman killed a multiversal being and destroyed said multiverse with one punch, but didn't even MENTION the MULTITUDES of multiversal threats Goku has faced in Dragon Ball Heroes and Xenoverse. Like what the actual f*ck DB???
Anyways, besides some scaling grievances I think they covered a lot of stuff pretty well (if they left out Heroes and sticked to canon it would've summed up most of Goku's combat capabilities, but power would still be a bit lacking), and the actual fight was legendary and deserves praise.
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As they should that shit is made cringe frankly
Vs brain rot at its worst
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Have you ever noticed that the symbol on the time ring represents the infinity symbol?
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It depends on how it's used.
Dimensional tiering, when taken out of context literally just to wank characters, is cringe af. But acting like dimensional tiering doesn't exist is just right out lol.
Anyways Heroes Goku has plenty of feats ranging from multiversal at least to low complex multiversal at best. Just ignoring those feats outright while giving Superman his, for no reason other than cause of the viewers, is the worst cringe quite frankly.
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Yes. I noticed that the first time it showed up.
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I just realized now, I think an easter egg for infinite Zamasu
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I think it's just a design detail cause time is infinite or something idk. They had the same design in the manga I believe but Infinite Zamasu wasn't a thing in the manga. Good idea tho.
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Indeed, time may indeed be infinite.
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Well they did consider the multiversal feats, it wasin the black boxes at the top
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Dimensional tiering exist but it's hardly something that can be fully reliable to use given not many authors even understand that stuff or be consistent with it
It also factors on them thinking about it in a vs context which they clearly don't care about it
Even this site standards are hardly consistent
Even factoring it ya not saying x character is 5D or whatever without looking stupid to the broader audience ya just better going who's hax is far More reliable and better than muh infinity is better than Urs
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They do have them at it
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I agree.
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Wheres the low complex part? And i dont think this guy is associated with DB, but im not sure if 5D DB is accepted by DB.So we've gotten more info from Ultraguys blog on how Death Battle scales Dragon Ball Heroes (in relation to Goku at least).
TLDR: Low Complex Multiversal and Infinite/Immeasurable speed.
Thoughts?
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I mean........so do we tbf, it is the final level of speed ratable here
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Anyone else think it might just be better for DB to not even bother with research and just do a popularity poll with an animated fight? I mean it's way too late in their channel for that now, but ngl that'd probably have been better since a ton of their battles are wrong or just plainly terrible.
Tbf, this Death Battle was like 9,001 times better than the first 2 combined, but the reasoning/argumentation still wasn't all that great and I feel like they tried their best...
Tbf, this Death Battle was like 9,001 times better than the first 2 combined, but the reasoning/argumentation still wasn't all that great and I feel like they tried their best...
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wait if you think about it the fight itself was kinda unfair
they made superman get a massive amp in sundipping while base goku already took a beating and didn't get an amp and didn't have time to recharge unlike superman
they made superman get a massive amp in sundipping while base goku already took a beating and didn't get an amp and didn't have time to recharge unlike superman
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Goku should've eaten all u can eat bowl of senzu bean
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