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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Excellence616
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Is Ultra Instinct an AP amp or just speed or neither?
Killerdrone123
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Both
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If you mean the transformation, both
If you mean the technique alone, speed
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It boosts your entire stats not just AP or Speed
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Like every Saiyan transformation, it boosts physical stats generally. Strength, speed, durability, and senses. It just also has the addition of instinctive reactions.
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Man this death battle is gonna be such a mess man. That blog that was posted of some guy theorizing who would win left out to many wincons and hax resistances for goku its insane, bro was such a blatant superman fan and took all dimensional tiering for supes seriously and just said all of goku's were hyperbole. Absolutely insane, glad that guy wasn't the one researching the goku vs supes fight. We'll see how this goes.
Hasty12345
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For real, he had Superman at that OMNIVERSAL. You just know when comic fans bring out that word they won’t listen to anyone else
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I mean, Superman's gonna win, you know that right?
Hasty12345
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it just has to be for the right reasons
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can't wait for Goku vs Superman 6 by the year 2066
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Death Battles rarely have the 'right reasons' for their verdicts. Their verdicts can be right but the logic they used to reach that verdict is almost always questionable.
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Frankly, if Goku wins I'm just going to assume it was bias in wanting to make the result different and pander to Dragon Ball fans. If they tie I'll still think that. If Superman wins they'll probably use bad logic for it.
There is no way for me to buy this fight's result as totally unbiased and well researched with a clear conclusion. There is bound to be something intrinsically wrong.
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pretty sure by authors intent , once he achieves the real UI in base , its just a skill boost
but from a powerscaling persp its lemme destroy your butt stats boost
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There's seldom any objectivity in Vs debating (hence the debate). Even if the majority agrees, it doesn't always mean the minority is wrong by default (it wasn't that long ago the majority agreed the Sun orbits the Earth and the Moon was equal in size to the Sun).
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Yes, I agree with that, but what I mean is that they give a lot of power to the opinions of people who do not use our standards and who are quite impartial in their opinion and who are in turn self-absorbed in their opinion. ..
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Death Battle has gotten tremendously better over the years but they're still pretty bad or just decent about research, generally speaking, and not to mention Death Battle tries to pander to more casual audiences as well, so bringing in dimensional tiering and that more "complex" stuff is a struggle for them as it will conflict with the viewers who would literally have no idea what they're talking about, which is a lot of them, especially with characters like Goku involved who people don't typically view in that light (and if anyone here thinks casual audiences do, you are REALLY out-of-touch, the perspective of powerscalers is utterly different from normal audiences). They'll never use terms like "low multiversal" or anything they'll just say "wowzers this guy can destroy a universe 5,000 times over how crazy, but this guy can do it 50,000 times over!!".
Death Battle doesn't actually care very much about comparing the characters, Death Battle cares about making something entertaining that will garner a lot of views. But they'll still try to add convincing research and reasoning to make their video seem more official, concrete, and overall just sound. This has gotten stronger over the years, but in the early days of Death Battle you could see how little they cared.
Anyone remember when they intentionally halved Goku's speed so that they could make Goku slower than Superman without needing to redo their already very flawed "calculations", because they're too lazy to find actual reasons for Superman being faster than Goku? Good times.
Death Battle doesn't actually care very much about comparing the characters, Death Battle cares about making something entertaining that will garner a lot of views. But they'll still try to add convincing research and reasoning to make their video seem more official, concrete, and overall just sound. This has gotten stronger over the years, but in the early days of Death Battle you could see how little they cared.
Anyone remember when they intentionally halved Goku's speed so that they could make Goku slower than Superman without needing to redo their already very flawed "calculations", because they're too lazy to find actual reasons for Superman being faster than Goku? Good times.
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Fairly true, but there are some objective aspects of things as well. For example, it's objectively true that Goku and Beerus were going to destroy the universe with their clashes. Any further details beyond that are of subjective debate though.
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Them saying Superman is only 52x Universal while Heroes Goku is bajllions of times universal would be a hilarious reversal.what if they say superman scales to 52 universes just like how thats accepted on this wiki
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I mean what always impressed me is how utterly lazy Death Battle always was, at least in the Goku Vs. Superman debates. Like. There are a TON of ways you can scale Superman above Goku in a way that's fairly reasonable and legitimate. Instead they just used a bunch of random nonsense bullshit in the first one to throw together two messes of arguments that MASSIVELY downplayed not just Goku but even Superman as well, and in the second one they didn't bother with providing any real evidence, they just miscontextualized some feats/statements, said Goku is strong but Superman infinitely strong, and left it at "Goku will get stronger but Superman is always strong enough and will never lose to anyone".
If they at least try this time, I'll give them some credit.
If they at least try this time, I'll give them some credit.
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Yeah they just said "To hell with it" and decided to use Heroes Goku and Frontier Superman.
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Honestly, I still can't, to this day, make up my mind over what was worst between Death Battle halving Goku's speed to make their calculations match with their narrative, or Death Battle saying that powerscaling is invalid and flawed. Like both of those things are just so awful lmao.
I still can't get over that they unironically pretended that Goku's base form just never got stronger and he was only able to use more transformations as the franchise continued, nothing else.
I still can't get over that they unironically pretended that Goku's base form just never got stronger and he was only able to use more transformations as the franchise continued, nothing else.
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Idk. If it's Universal Tree Goku I wonder if Frontier Superman has any answer to his hax whatsoever, I doubt it ngl, but I doubt Death Battle is using Universal Tree Goku in particular either.would heroes goku stomp frontier superman if someone made a vs thread about it
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Visual erorr iirc, the calc was correct
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They use it in the final comparison between Goku and Superman. Where they have Superman as being only about 4 times faster than Goku.
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If they did the multipliers for the forms correctly on top of the Snake Way calc they used, Goku would be 254 billion km/hr here, perception blitzing Superman to hell and back, so instead of multiplying Goku's speed by 50 for Super Saiyan 1, they made his speed half of Goku's base form in Super Saiyan 1 to make him WAY slower than he should have been so that they didn't need to redo the speed.
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The base speed is wrong (misstype), the SSJ2 Speed is correct.
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So you mean they had base Goku at 640,000 kilometers per hour? Holy shit that's way worse...
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Also noticed this looking into it.https://media.**********.net/attachments/1118826726458392589/1181211436744196156/image.png?ex=65803be0&is=656dc6e0&hm=353cd68a5ac3f3af7344515d621fc651006c6ad6448bb0c87d5248cf87c0c2a9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=962&height=636
Fezzih_007
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Well, they not wrong.
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They conflated Travel Speed with Combat Speed which was a nightmare pre-DBS and without the DBZ Anime. For example, current DBZ manga Goku is Hypersonic+ in Super Saiyan 3 on this site in flight speed.
The calc itself is also garbage, but I don't think they were malicious or purposefully changed numbers.
The calc itself is also garbage, but I don't think they were malicious or purposefully changed numbers.
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Yeah fair enough. I always thought skewing the numbers like that was really far, even for them, and also too obvious.
And yeah they didn't even remotely understand the difference between combat speed and travel speed, or the difference between lifting strength and striking strength I guess.
Nah but base Goku by the end of GT being slower than lightning is crazy fr.
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LMAO WAS THIS ALWAYS THE TITLE?
LMAO WAS THIS ALWAYS THE TITLE?
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They updated the titles when the new episode was announced. They 'decanonised' GvS2.
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Even they were like "Yeah guys, this was NOT it.".
Eden_Warlock99
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The early DB seasons and the new ones are barely similar tbh
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The Strongest One Piece Villain vs The Weakest DBZ Villain
Now that 5-C One Piece is a thing, I guess we can do this? Raditz ended up on the wrong earth and landed straight on Onigashima, an enraged Kaido confronts him. Kaidou of the Hundred Beasts vs Raditz the Low-Class Saiyan Warrior Stats: Kaidou AP and Durability: Moon level, (33.6 Exatons)...
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The film scripts go through Akira Toriyama and he corrected some things
Dragon Ball Daizenshuu 6: Movies and TV Specials – Introduction and Super Interview with Akira Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daizenshuu 6: Movies and TV Specials – Introduction and Super Interview with Akira Toriyama
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I heard that the superhero novel was out?
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Yes, I've had it for a long time.
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