Accelerated_Evolution
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I know, it´s irony, i also use the same argument
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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Exactly
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Hehehe, Jiren 2D is really good
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This is the first time I've heard arguments against Jiren>Infinite Zamasu given that was the basis for low 2C DBS for I dunno, three or four years.
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This is really very strange, I don't know how someone came up with something like that, but there is no way for Jiren to be superior, Jiren can try to destroy the entire Universe, but it will be in vain, Infinite Zamasu has 4D attacks, which would break Jiren in half
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The current page for Infinite Zamasu puts him below Fusion Zamasu. Before 2-C, that was what got the Future Saga and after to Low 2-C. Notably, this is for incomplete Infinite Zamasu.
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Jiren is stronger than IZ but we’re not upgrading IZ since it was recommended to only upgrade Zeno and XV2/DBH characters for now since they scale to the timeline no question
Disagree with this fs
Jiren is quite literally stated to be the strongest opponent they ever faced in the show and in supplementary material Zamasu being 4D doesn’t matter since Jiren is too in terms of attack potency.
Clover made a crt that scaled FZ to atleast as strong as IZ a while ago
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As Vegeta said, even if Beerus killed Zamasu, he would come back and it would happen all over again, Beerus practically had to erase Zamasu before he even tried to do anything, it would actually be very unfair to try to scale Jiren above Zamasu based on nothing and just hyperbole.
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We currently scale (Incomplete) Inf Zamasu below Fusion Zamasu anyway.
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Tell me how a being of superior existence, an abstract, non-physical being that distorts reality with its presence can be defeated??
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Jiren has the power of baldness, so he solos.
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Some profiles are talking about infinite Zamasu, I will certainly make a crt to remove this, This is something that no one should accept here, even if there is some hyperbole cited.
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Really
Accelerated_Evolution
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Jiren only lost the tournament of power because Frieza also used the power of baldness
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Yeah no canonically Jiren is stronger than Inf. Zamasu. He wouldn’t ever BEAT Inf Zamasu, but he is certainly STRONGER than him.
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That was Future Zamasu it just means he has Mid Godly Regen. SSJB Goku was quite literally one shotting him in every single instance they fought.
Theres no way you watched the show if you didn’t know Zeno erased bro from existence… all you need is NPI to interact with an abstract being and higher dimensional range&ap
That’s fs getting rejected but if you wanna waste your time
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Idk, it's pretty solid. They couldn't kill Inf Zamasu due to his nature, but his attacks were being tanked by mere Base Goku and Vegeta unlike with Fusion Zamasu.
Accelerated_Evolution
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Basically it
Spinoirr
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Isn't Shulk 6D, meanwhile Goku will become 5D?
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I mean. Logically wouldn't Tokitoki be 6D as the power of all time whereas a singular timeline is 5D? Meaning Xeno Goku would be 6D?
Lesser Timeline (Time Room, 4D) -> Greater Timeline (5D) -> Master Timeline (Tokitoki, 6D)
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I think we should just do what we did in the old days and rate IZ as "2-C, will eventually become Low 1-C".
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Best to leave that stuff for once DT and the rest is fully settled.
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i wouldn't waste my time on it, range should be enough
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I don't think that would be good, Jiren would climb according to what they said, and then the whole cast would go together, so that will be rejected.
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He only scales to the 2-C Zamasu, not the eventually Low 1-C part.
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I'm just telling you now, if you were to do this, so many characters would be low 1-C, idk if that's right, range for zamasu seems solid. We don't really know if he would have fused with the entire timeline or not, or even overtime. Because this would end of scaling to the end result, and then jiren scales, then goku, so on and so forth. Tier 2 and beyond, overtime feats don't matter.
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Exactly
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Why exactly would Zamasu eventually becoming Low 1-C result in everyone scaling? I seem to recall Zamasu was stated to be 'eventually 2-C' in the past and no one scaled to it then. What's changed since then?
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This is really good
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Then that's wrong, overtime feats would still scale to the character, he would already have to possess low 1-C power to merge with a low 1-C timeline no matter how long it takes, that is why destroying a low 2-C structure overtime is still low 2-C, because you can't quantify it by time since destroying spacetime on that level is non calculable. Same for low 1-C, so zamasu will end up scaling to the end result, fused zamasu=infinite zamasu since there was no statement his power increased, it was just his body spreading apart the multiverse. Then jiren scales to either one.
Skarfz
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This is the same problem y'all had before.
Everybody scared of krillin and the lower Z warriors becoming 2-C because "they were humans" even though they had a direct feat.
Pretty sure they call Jiren the strongest ever seen when they literally saw a being fuse with timelines.
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The wiki never accepted Infinite Zamasu merging fully with the timeline. The eventually rating is theoretical on here.
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iirc, he was eventually 2-B at one point, and goku scaled.
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Really? I thought that was rejected back then.
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Zamasu's tier is based upon what he is, that being the Macrocosm he fused himself with, he never fused with all other timelines, nor did he with the entire timeline, so he wouldn't scale to them until he actually does it and becomes it
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I also didn't like Krillin being 2-C, but over time I came to accept that, but climbing with infinite Zamasu is absurd.
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Nope, it may have been for a short time, but it did happen. It would be the same with low 1-C if we were to do, "eventually low 1-C".
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