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Tbf the experience doesn't matter too much
Regardless Sans' danmaku shouldn't be anything more than light work to adapt to
And the attacks can be destroyed
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Regardless Sans' danmaku shouldn't be anything more than light work to adapt to
And the attacks can be destroyed
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What Sir Marvelous said. Plus none of the characters who fought him had that.
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he doesn't have resistance to Sans' method of soul destruction, besides Sans' hax foes beyond just affecting the soul
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I believe the experience matters because Goku has shown he is more than capable of adapting to a wide variety of attack patterns on the fly and can outdo thousands of years of training and experience within a single battle. The idea he can't adapt to Sans' Danmaku is absurd as a result.
How many times does Chara/Frisk take to beat Sans canonically? Who knows. I doubt it's more than a thousand attempts in Toby Fox's head though. So if a child can adapt to Sans in 1000 attempts then I'm pretty sure the super genius martial artist who can overcome fighters many times more experienced than him in just a single fight can adapt to Sans in just one fight.
Which makes it even more ridiculous because Freeza vaporised hundreds of Moon-level soldiers simply by powering up with his aura. Sans realistically shouldn't even be able to bypass any of these characters with his attacks if they project their aura.
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He still gets passive haxed I'm pretty sure.
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Heck, Jiren, a recent example, stopped Base Goku's Kamehameha by... existing.
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by Xeno Goku he is, the others like Freeza he isn't
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Dude straight up glares a Spirit Bomb back at Goku.
Serlock_Holmes
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Still dies to a tier 9 skeleton.
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IIRC it can happen up to 10 times
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Jiren is one of two mentioned exceptions to the Dragon Ball vs Sans flamebait
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the entire point was that he would die before adapting
you know, using the fact that someone is a child doesn't really tell much about their experience
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far more actually, we don't have a solid number tho
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And we just talked about the premise of why that is wrong
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It stops being unique after 10 times
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all i saw is that goku would adapt faster, but the attacks alone are not the only problem, Sans has numerous ways to desoriente an enemy
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what stops being unique exactly?
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Sans' responses to you dying and coming back
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yeah.......what i say about we not having a solid number still remains true tho
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By being comatose and staying still? By not just vaporising all of Sans' attacks with his aura alone? By not teleporting to Sans directly and exploding him?
It kind of does because it brings into account their neurological development. A child is not going to be as competent as an adult mentally. Especially not an adult that has spent their entire life on martial arts and has outperformed beings with thousands of years of martial arts experience.
None of which would do anything against fighters like Goku. Especially given that they have an omnidirectional energy sense and are used to fighting at MFTL+ speeds in all directions, including upside down.
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My original comment focused on Xeno Goku, the others were tertiary.
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Law hax makes Sans attack first no matter what, so tell me, would goku try to block any of the attacks at least once in the begining?
why would goku do that against someone he can feel that is only slightly stronger than Mr.Satan? also, i don't remember of goku weaponizing his aura like that in any fight, that would also imply that he is powering up with an aura, which is also weird for him to do against someone he sees as very weak
again, why would he go this far against someone so much weaker than him?
Frisk very much keeps up with trained guards and thousand of years old people who fought in a gigantic war and still survived even with an one shot worthy power gap, goku is far more skilled than that sure, but they are clearly far more skilled than a normal Kid irl
well.....how many years did hit spent fighting and what kind of experience did he accumulated in those? of all of goku's extraordinary feats why did you choose the one that means less of them all?
you do know that the speed in the matches was equalized right? besides you speak as if goku or any of them would instantly try AOE against attacks they can feel that have no attack power to even scratch them.....which is also weird?
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i know, which is why just comented on them and not Xeno Goku, because heroes should be obvious that stomps sans no matter what
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Jiren has an invincible barrier. The way it was described any character has it.
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lemme grab a compilation of energy attacks deflected by breathing rq
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That doesn't mean they can't act. It's never been treated like that even after Sans got his limited law hax
Maybe because he can sense killing intent? Also Goku knows from years of experience that a small power level is not always what it seems
Good thing Dragon Ball characters regularly speed amp and react to faster attacks as pointed out by Cryo
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eh, only four off the top of the ol' noggin.
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it is, why do you think that they description of it makes constant notes that Sans fights in turns?
and that would be enough for goku to killer mode when the said "killer intent" is of a 9-B character?
and that means that goku would instantly go kill mode because?
yeah? and goku would do that against someone he can feel is far weaker than him because...?
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I ain't seen anyone treat it like that but you and like two other people
and you are the same guy who said Sans can ignore a 2-C barrierThat means he can fairly easily react through sheer reaction speed, adaptability, and skill
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will you answer my point about what is in the profiles?I ain't seen anyone treat it like that but you and like two other people
yeah.......he ignores durability
his reaction speed is not listed as higher than his combat speed in the profile tho...
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That working on non-UT characters is listed nowhere on his profile. His 'Law hax' is limited to the gameplay mechanics of Undertale. And Sans has zero way of enforcing that on other people.
Because he is bloodlusted and has no idea of Sans' durability. To add further Goku doesn't need to 'weaponise' his aura, his aura would passively destroy all of Sans' attacks because of the AP difference.
In the event that Goku is struggling to reach Sans he will find an opening to teleport to him and Sans will explode into dust because Goku has no idea how fragile he is.
Via resets. A human child with enough attempts can beat any monster. Goku is infinitely more skilled. Also those people lost that war, pretty horribly too.
You're in a Dragon Ball thread. Have you seen the story? No? Go watch/read Dragon Ball. Anyone posting in this thread should be well aware of Goku's portfolio.
Yes? And DB characters can speed amp with their Ki. And I'm not saying any DB character would instantly go for an AoE attack but if they shoot a Ki Blast at Sans and it misses it will explode. And we have, again, already seen that Freeza's Death Beam can cause a city-size explosion.
In an actual fight between Sans and Goku, Goku would dodge all of Sans' attacks or try to destroy them, realise he isn't making leeway he would use Afterimages to trick Sans and would try to knock him out with one blow to the skull, which would kill him by mistake. Or Goku could just project his aura, vaporising Sans' attacks. Or he could just notice Sans is getting exhausted (like against Freeza) and would just dodge all of Sans' Danmaku and then Sans would be unable to keep fighting.
The only wincon for Sans is Goku letting Sans hit him and that's assuming Goku is in that type of mood. Other characters, like Freeza, would just go for the kill because they don't care about him.
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The profiles don't say the opponent can't act
KARMA and soul attacks are the dura neg bruh. They have to hit someone with a soul
Cryo already pointed out that characters can react to ki attacks which scale above their travel speed
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Because Sans is a monster, not like a normal being.
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To be fair some Earth citizens are just anthropomorphic animals
That being said Goku is not one to underestimate a low power level when he can sense killing intent
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Cool. Sans has a horrible limitation where once he finishes his attack he'll let his opponent act because he adheres to Undertale mechanics. Nothing states that Sans can force that onto other characters though.
So either your argument of 'turns' means nothing because Sans can't enforce those rules or it means Sans is horribly limited in the actions he can take because he is operating on a turn-based system while his opponent isn't.
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Y'know Goku kills, right? And, by SBA, Goku enters the fight with the intent to kill, right?
When Goku intends to kill (i.e., Red Ribbon Army, Tambourine, Drum, Demon King Piccolo, Kid Buu, the resurrected Frieza after Whis's Temporal Do-Over, etc.), he kills. When Goku intends to kill, he goes all-out from the very beginning and attacks with decisive blows aimed to finish his opponent off.
Sans being weaker is not going to deincentivize Goku to go all-out; in fact, considering Sans is that much weaker than he is, meaning he has nothing to gain from the fight, he is likely going to kill Sans immediately and without a second thought, like with Yakon.
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no it isn't, enforcing it into other people is what he does in the game
wait he was in the thread? that changes a lot of things
of course he does, he can feel it
his aura passively destroy all that come in contact with it?
and would he try to block any of the attacks first? also goku knows exactly how durable sans is, Ki sensing exists just for that
they can also do in first try without dying once per some Neutral endings, besides with the more tries, more they learn and more experienced they get, so it ends up the same either way
you know that i have said that right?
the point is that he survived it, besides your point is that they being a child makes them iherently inferior to any adult ever, the fact that they keep up with adults already debunks your points about them not having any skill
i was asking about Hit's, not Goku's, i am very, very aware of how much of a monster goku is in skill
.....which is what we use to rate their speeds in the profiles........that is already what was equalized
which is why sans' attacking first matters greatly, also sans can just avoid the explosion, and i am pretty sure Goku almost always starts with HtH
it can.....but why would freeza make such big explosion against a 9-B character?
Goku is MFTL+, Sans is hypersonic, that should be obvious shouldn't it?
of course, goku would try to dodge all the 9-B attacks instead of trying to block any of them in the begining, yeah, that makes sense
still need to see the citation for that to be a passive thing auras in DB do, krillin was fodderizing the Freeza soldier in return of F saga, yet his aura wasn't damaging any of them
if it reaches at that point, which i don't see how it would tbh, Sans just uses his Law Hax to force an incon between him and goku
you assume that goku wouldn't even try to block and would care to evade a 9-B attack why exactly?
considering how much weaker Sans is then him, freeza would go for the kill, but not overboard, since he doesn't care, which will be deadly when one attack hits him and he gets killed in 5 seconds
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Black lets himself get hit against WORTHWHILE OPPONENTS
Just like Goku if they're not worth his time he won't even humor the idea
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Goku Black's whole kink is getting hit.
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For the purpose of it making him stronger. Mf is not gonna be incentivized to do that against a 9-B
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