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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Don't think you finished watching the first one
You're right, that's my mistake.

Even still, though, what implies that Goku and Hit are manipulating fear? Supernaturally creating and instilling fear within Champa?

Throughout the tournament, Champa and Vados have been propping Hit up for his infallible killing abilities, and, if I recall correctly, witnessing Blue Kaio-ken x10 spurred Beerus into even entertaining Whis's idea that Goku could be steadily rising up to his level.

Additionally, I completely forgot that terrorizing a target via demeanor is Social Influencing, too.
 
Actually, Moro would straight up qualify as just intimidated by power, as Moro could sense UIO. So could base Vegeta, across the galaxy. This is important, because the God Ki passive is confirmed, which is why Vegeta must use IT instead of Pybara. Moro copied his powers, so he should have that sensory capacity.

At first I was thinking Moro couldn’t sense MUI, so it’d be another layer of Extrasensory Perception Resistance, but that’s actually not hinted at when I reviewed the chapters in question—Unless I missed something.
 
Made a small section for universal energy system, ki amplifying stats and blah blah blah, anything more i should add in this section? I was thinking about explaining the control of AoE
Should be Statistics Manipulation rather than just Amplification, Ki users can manipulate their stats by either lowering or increasing their ki (well obviously there is an upper limit)
 
Even still, though, what implies that Goku and Hit are manipulating fear? Supernaturally creating and instilling fear within Champa
I mean, characters get fear-inducing hax on their profile all the time because they just simply inducing fear, idk why we should not do it with FB
 
Whataboutism.
:rolleyes:

While i too do not like Whataboutism, but if it can bring fairness i will use it, i mean, if other verses didn't get accepted and listed fear-inducing hax on their profiles just because they can intimidating peoples, then i'm perfectly fine with not listing it in DB pages, but if those things get accepted by staffs, that mean it meet the standard so, why not
 
Does the dmc thread help us at all? Seems like their arguments can help our thread. Also shouldn't the universes expanding infinitely support that the above dimension housing them would be able to house a collection of infinite 4-d structures?
 
a perfectly reasonable point

'See? This is why I'm an opponent.'

☠️☠️☠️☠️
That wasn't "perfectly reasonable", that was literally whataboutism, again. Do you really think the staff goes through and review every profile, every instance of Fear Manipulation written under "Fear Inducement", or "Fear Aura", or "can instill fear in opponents"? Do you really think the Wiki is perfect, and that everything you see is something to look up to? Because if so, I've got a bridge to sell you.

"Fairness"???
What about "accuracy"??????
 
That wasn't "perfectly reasonable", that was literally whataboutism, again. Do you really think the staff goes through and review every profile, every instance of Fear Manipulation written under "Fear Inducement", or "Fear Aura", or "can instill fear in opponents"? Do you really think the Wiki is perfect, and that everything you see is something to look up to? Because if so, I've got a bridge to sell you.

"Fairness"???
What about "accuracy"??????
The wiki obviously isn't perfect but ideals exist to strive for. You strive for the ideal of perfection to make the standards and resulting profiles as accurate and logical as possible. Denying a revision to DB because it's inaccurate when other verses get a similar revision for similar reasons should result in an examination in those verses and debating whether or not it's truly acceptable. As that inherently impacts DB's own profiles.

That's one of the arguments for why DB gets so much scrutiny, isn't it? It's one of the largest and most popular verses for battleboarding. So site standards change as a result of revisions for it. When we notice a discrepancy in how it is treated it's worth pointing out to illustrate there is a problem with how the site is managing these upgrades/downgrades. Either we should get it because it's in-line with the treatment of other verses or there is a problem with how those verses are treated and it should be dealt with.

Accuracy can't exist unless the things passed by staff are consistent. If one verse can get something passed for particular reasoning while another verse can't that indicates an inherent inaccuracy with the entire wiki which would impact every verse. As such 'fairness' is as important as 'accuracy'. If the wiki is being 'unfair' then that illustrates an inherent inaccuracy and it must be addressed for the overall health of the community.

So yes. If other verses get Fear Inducement for this reasoning but DB cannot then those verses should not have Fear Inducement. It's unhealthy for Revision and Versus threads alike and directly impacts DB's quality as a verse because we waste our time on unclear standards.
 
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That wasn't "perfectly reasonable", that was literally whataboutism, again. Do you really think the staff goes through and review every profile, every instance of Fear Manipulation written under "Fear Inducement", or "Fear Aura", or "can instill fear in opponents"? Do you really think the Wiki is perfect, and that everything you see is something to look up to? Because if so, I've got a bridge to sell you.

"Fairness"???
What about "accuracy"??????
Yeah this is such a nothing post lol.

Striving to uphold and apply the sites standards, even if we know there will always be something out there we haven't gotten to yet, is perfectly reasonable.

I don't think the wiki is perfect, but I think we should do our best to stick to the principals of the site.
 
I'm pretty sure the standards, as per the Fear Manipulation page, declare that terrorizing an opponent through authority, power, or demeanor is Social Influencing but whatevs, do whatever your heart feels is right. Less work for me in the future.
 
That wasn't "perfectly reasonable", that was literally whataboutism, again. Do you really think the staff goes through and review every profile, every instance of Fear Manipulation written under "Fear Inducement", or "Fear Aura", or "can instill fear in opponents"? Do you really think the Wiki is perfect, and that everything you see is something to look up to? Because if so, I've got a bridge to sell you.

"Fairness"???
What about "accuracy"??????
Well, I guess this is why it's always listed as just "Fear Inducement" instead of "Fear Manipulation". They are just making the target "feel frightened in some form or another". And in Saitama and Garou case, it's through their aura, which is exactly what I'm trying to apply
 
The all might thread is going the exact opposite way of Goku and Tien being compared to Roshi. I don't like that argument one bit.
 
Moro cannot sense God ki. ''Sense'' mostlikely refers to sight, because Piccolo says Moro can also sense Goku. The only other person who could sense Goku was Jaco, through sight.
It’s weird, actually, because he could also immediately detect UIO’s Godly Nature. He also copied Vegeta’s powers at that point in the scan you showed, (his copied abilities also hadn’t been sealed, yet), so he should have God Ki Sensing as well.

And yet he couldn’t sense Merus. Maybe MUI/Angel Power is a higher tier of Extrasensory Perception Resistance, like I initially thought?
 
It’s weird, actually, because he could also immediately detect UIO’s Godly Nature. He also copied Vegeta’s powers at that point in the scan you showed, (his copied abilities also hadn’t been sealed, yet), so he should have God Ki Sensing as well.

And yet he couldn’t sense Merus. Maybe MUI/Angel Power is a higher tier of Extrasensory Perception Resistance, like I initially thought?
Isn't the term 'Angel Power' later used when Moro copies Merus?
 
Isn't the term 'Angel Power' later used when Moro copies Merus?
It is, yes. It should also be noted that Moro couldn’t understand MUI, either. It’s not inherently indicative of his ability to understand it Ki-wise, obviously, it does hold merit because if he couldn’t understand MUI but could understand the Godly Nature of UIO, it means that on some level they’re completely fundamentally different (even though they’re directly related).

And whilst Vegeta could sense Goku in UIO, he couldn’t sense the difference between Goku’s UIO God Ki and normal God Ki. Here he’s sensing Goku, but here whilst he still sensing Goku he says the God Ki (1) Passive (2) in effect here MUST be Ultra Instinct, which he couldn’t pick up before (for some reason).

This could mean that it goes God Ki (Usually can only be sensed by Gods, but mortals can learn) -> Angel Ki (Only Gods and God-Adjacent can learn, which is what Vegeta claims here. “Only Gods can sense THAT kind of Godly Chi.”)
 
It is, yes. It should also be noted that Moro couldn’t understand MUI, either. It’s not inherently indicative of his ability to understand it Ki-wise, obviously, it does hold merit because if he couldn’t understand MUI but could understand the Godly Nature of UIO, it means that on some level they’re completely fundamentally different (even though they’re directly related).
It's worth noting that when Vegeta goes Ultra Ego Goku noticed the difference between ordinary God Chi and Vegeta's Ultra Ego God Chi. Which implies that God of Destruction chi i is inherently different from normal God Ki. Much like how UI's God Chi appears to be different from UIS or SSB God Chi. Granted Goku was able to sense it but there is a clear difference and perhaps Goku's sensory ability has evolved from learning Ultra Instinct?

So it could follow as:
Mortal Chi -> God Chi -> Destroyer Chi -> Angel Chi
 
It's worth noting that when Vegeta goes Ultra Ego Goku noticed the difference between ordinary God Chi and Vegeta's Ultra Ego God Chi. Which implies that God of Destruction chi i is inherently different from normal God Ki. Much like how UI's God Chi appears to be different from UIS or SSB God Chi. Granted Goku was able to sense it but there is a clear difference and perhaps Goku's sensory ability has evolved from learning Ultra Instinct?

So it could follow as:
Mortal Chi -> God Chi -> Destroyer Chi -> Angel Chi
Since narratively and power wise Angel Ki and Destroyer Ki are supposed to be their equal-opposite “next level” (hence the naming convention), I think Destroyer Chi and Angel Chi should be on the same bracket (at least for Goku and Vegeta specifically). I think it should also be noted that, at least according to the Goku Black arc, natural God Ki and man-made God Ki are different, which is why Black has pink hair for his variant of SSB, SSR.

So maybe it’s like:

Mortal Chi -> Mortal-Made God Chi -> Natural God Chi -> Destroyer/Angel Chi (and potentially an extra break for Mortal Made iterations if we assume the rule remains consistent through God Ki’s variations).
 
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The situation with the thread on staff discussion getting no involvement beyond I disagree is starting to get irritating. Get Ultima or DT on there for God's sake.
 
The fact that Pein is even allowed to continue posting there is a problem. I don't know why he hasn't been told off yet when he's not even trying to debate the blog and outright said he didn't read it. And frankly I don't get the impression that Ant is even engaging for any reason but to say 'No.' when he just asks for someone else to explain it when a blog was linked and it's referenced in most of the posts on the entire second page.

I'm sorry if this all comes off as rude but I'm just feeling very frustrated with how this entire revision is being treated. If they disagree then fine but if Pein hasn't even read it and Ant won't even take five seconds to check the context and give the blog at least a cursory glance then it just makes me feel like Profectus wasted his time. At least have the damn pretense of respecting the effort that has been invested.
 
The fact that Pein is even allowed to continue posting there is a problem. I don't know why he hasn't been told off yet when he's not even trying to debate the blog and outright said he didn't read it. And frankly I don't get the impression that Ant is even engaging for any reason but to say 'No.' when he just asks for someone else to explain it when a blog was linked and it's referenced in most of the posts on the entire second page.

I'm sorry if this all comes off as rude but I'm just feeling very frustrated with how this entire revision is being treated. If they disagree then fine but if Pein hasn't even read it and Ant won't even take five seconds to check the context and give the blog at least a cursory glance then it just makes me feel like Profectus wasted his time. At least have the damn pretense of respecting the effort that has been invested.

Ant literally invited him. Why would he not comment?
 
The fact that Pein is even allowed to continue posting there is a problem. I don't know why he hasn't been told off yet when he's not even trying to debate the blog and outright said he didn't read it. And frankly I don't get the impression that Ant is even engaging for any reason but to say 'No.' when he just asks for someone else to explain it when a blog was linked and it's referenced in most of the posts on the entire second page.

I'm sorry if this all comes off as rude but I'm just feeling very frustrated with how this entire revision is being treated. If they disagree then fine but if Pein hasn't even read it and Ant won't even take five seconds to check the context and give the blog at least a cursory glance then it just makes me feel like Profectus wasted his time. At least have the damn pretense of respecting the effort that has been invested.
Yes this is very annoying, but idk what to say atp.
 
He has permission in that thread and I feel that permission should be stripped when he's refusing to even read the arguments and is trying to dismiss the entire revision. That's what I'm getting at.

He is considered nearly as knowledgeable of tier stuff as DT and Ultima so I don't think that can happen.
 
Never claimed the opposite. Sadly I don't do well with that stuff beyond the very basic concepts so I will just watch.
 
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