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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Tyranno223 said:
Bit of an aside, but why is Goku Black (and Fused Zamasu) only listed as gifted when Goku is a combat genius? Black replicated Goku's style after one fight and improved on them dramatically.

He pretty much outmatched Future Saga Goku in skill.
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Heall why is anyone who can actually fight goku listed as not genuies in fighting like him 💀
 
Spinoirr said:
Heall why is anyone who can actually fight goku listed as not genuies in fighting like him 💀
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Freeza fought on par with Goku in his first serious fight in his entire life when he lacked an omnidirectional sense, instantly copied Krillin's Destructo Disk when he experienced it once when fired at him from behind, then was able to evolve and fight Goku skill-to-skill in just four months of training (even copying Goku's stance, albeit he was at the disadvantage but still) and then skyrocketed his power, energy control and martial arts skills by image training for a year, being stated to be totally matched with Goku. All this with zero instruction by a martial arts master like Goku has had (Gohan, Roshi, Korin, Popo, Kami, King Kai, Whis).

Is he listed as a genius combatant? Nope.
 
Yeah, but there is a difference between fighting Goku and outskilling Goku.

I think (Anime) Black falls into the latter as he literally adopts and inproved on Future Saga Goku's style and power while outmatching him.
 
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Yeah but in serious matches they are always fighting with a considerable amount of power anyways so I see this as redundant. Like yes Mike tyson can punch with less power than a child but he ain't doing it if the match is serious.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Yeah but in serious matches they are always fighting with a considerable amount of power anyways so I see this as redundant. Like yes Mike tyson can punch with less power than a child but he ain't doing it if the match is serious.
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There is a difference between pulling your punches and consciously controlling your flow of energy to continuously output a specific amount of power.

And, like, they only ever use 100% in short bursts or in the utmost worst scenario.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
There is a difference between pulling your punches and consciously controlling your flow of energy to continuously output a specific amount of power.

And, like, they only ever use 100% in short bursts or in the utmost worst scenario.
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Are you referring to the idea of them not going 100 precent at every moment, to save stamina?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
There is a difference between pulling your punches and consciously controlling your flow of energy to continuously output a specific amount of power.

And, like, they only ever use 100% in short bursts or in the utmost worst scenario.
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Yeah but even half or 10% don't really change much and I feel after a point it just becomes ridiculous. Like oh he used 80% of his power in this blow how much does he have? So did piccolo use 50% ki on special beam cannon? 30% maybe? I personally feel it becomes ridiculous after a while.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
They’re suppressed when they’re not fighting this is like saying Trunks is 10-B and varies to High 5-A for having a PL of 5 when the frieza soldier scanned him

You don’t get varies because you’re hiding your power before you fight
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Yeah that's my point. That's just too much looking into the fight.
 
Well Dragon Ball Super Heores does talk about the efficient use of power that Jiren Mastered and it's relations with controlling his "Stamina
 
I’m gonna be honest, what I thought you were referring to is this. (Y’know, OG-Z doing all the martial arts things Tori/Toyo are reintroducing in DBS as if they aren’t seasoned warriors). But even then I don’t know if it’d apply, because Piccolo outright here is saying they basically just flick on to full power at any given moment/can amplify their powers at will, hence why what Gero took was nothing. (Meaning they DON’T vary, they simply have precise control of their energy.)

Also, auras being existent is a good metric…on paper. The manga isn’t always consistent with this, and even then there are fighters who can access their full power with “no aura.” Hell, parts of Goku Vs Frieza who is at 100% (trying to kill his opponent with EVERY STRIKE) straight up have Frieza (1) lacking (2) one (3).

Edit: Also note, Piccolo makes this claim after beating (1) down (2) Gero (3) with (4) his (5) Aura-Less “Full/Amplified” Power. Meaning another mark for their output not requiring an aura visual, and a direct showing they are doing this for their physicals and do not vary more than they choose to vary.
 
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Nullflowerblush said:
His "aura" looks like this.

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I get the other points, though.
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Yeah, but in those panels specifically it’s just not there. There’s no hard to see swirly lines in those panels—There’s just no aura.

Edit: Also, that’s why I simply said “Parts” instead of the whole thing. I was just pointing out how visible Aura is an inconsistent metric in general.
 
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Is it fair to call someone a troll who thinks "BoG base Vegito "Pre-Beerus Fight/God Ritual">base Kefla>ToP SSG Goku. I ended the discussion when I read that. Lmao to stupid to dive into it.
 
I mean, even if you do not agree with Goku absorbing the SSG power in base nor that it scales to SSG in any mean... how could pre-God ritual Vegito be above SSG Goku? Goku himself stated he couldn't have beaten Beerus even if they fused. And even without that, both Goku SSJ3 and rage amped SSJ2 Vegeta were worthless to Beerus. That power multiplied by the many times of the fusion won't be enough. If fusion had that big multiplier even base Vegito should be enough to beat Fused Zamasu in the anime lol
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I mean, even if you do not agree with Goku absorbing the SSG power in base nor that it scales to SSG in any mean... how could pre-God ritual Vegito be above SSG Goku? Goku himself stated he couldn't have beaten Beerus even if they fused. And even without that, both Goku SSJ3 and rage amped SSJ2 Vegeta were worthless to Beerus. That power multiplied by the many times of the fusion won't be enough. If fusion had that big multiplier even base Vegito should be enough to beat Fused Zamasu in the anime lol
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It's worse we are talking about Tournament of Power SSG Goku. So yeah the idea Buu-Saga base Vegito>>>>>ToP SSG Goku is trolling. Also there is no reason to not think that Goku surpassed SSG power. He absorbed it into SSJ and surpassed in base, when he broke his limit and many feats support it.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
I think Cell is somewhat redeemable. What do you think?
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Original Cell? I have my doubts. He seems to view all other lifeforms as beneath him and he actively went around consuming humans for power. He was utterly obsessed with being the Perfect lifeform. Cell Max? Not really evil, just a wild monster because he lacks a mind. Give him his mind and he could reasonably become a good guy.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
We need to replace some of the images for Toei Goku's profile they are ugly as all hell. Like who tf chose the Super Kaioken image💀💀💀
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All of his renders would fit perfectly in videos from 11 years ago with the title of "all of Goku's transformations from base to Super Saiyan infinite"
 
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