It's part of the canon page:
Ultimately on the site it's a third tier canon document with multiple stated issues regarding canonicity and Mike Pondsmith/RA having to introduce justifications for different concepts.
Why? All statements about infinite universe come from Daizenshu or other guide books and they're for all DB media
Yes, but it is not accepted that the infinite universe is accepted within the canon here, due to several opponents repeating the same point, such as Bulma and Null talking about the bubble-shaped universe to refute the infinite universe
In DBZ anime it was stated that kaioshin realm is AT THE EDGE of the universe. So now macrocosmos is finite universe lvl now?Yes, but it is not accepted that the infinite universe is accepted within the canon here, due to several opponents repeating the same point, such as Bulma and Null talking about the bubble-shaped universe to refute the infinite universe
He doesn't?? He's 6 Universes as a SSB, in base he's 3 Universes for being stronger than Goku from bog
Don't you notice? He was 3 universes, but after becoming SSB, which is a multiplier, he became 6 universes. So he added 3 universes from multiplier because SSB is a multiplier
It takes a few seconds to read the actual justification for him being 6 universes. SSB's multiplier is not a factor at all
I know it's not the factor in itself, but it's why he got that lvl. If he was just 3 universes in base form, then he couldn't get 6 universes by transforming in SSB because SSB IS A MILTIPLIER, by your logic.
SSB is an amp by an unknown amount, if it was canonically said to be finite then yeah he would be 6 universes in base but we don't know that. All we can do is estimate a lowball or a finite multiplier for SSB.
That's even better. SSB is SSG but multiplied by SS1(50-500), so this gap(from 3 universes to 6) was made by a SSG multiplier, which is consistent since in both manga and anime SSG is another lvl trasformation in comparison to SS1-2-3. That would make Goku in BoG 6 universes cuz he was already 3 universes in SS3 in Buu saga, then 6 universes base Goku in the end of BoG as he absorbed this power into his base. But to get it higher we need to choose, does SSG doubles universes or it just gives 3 universes?
Yeah an unknown amp that we shouldn't make objective quantifications for
Again it's an unknown amp it's only 6 universes for the feats it scales to not for its unknown amp for the scaling. And no it doesn't double or give 3 universes as an amp, again it's just scaling to feats of that level
"It multiplies his power from 3 universes to 6 universes, but it doesn't multiplies power". If SSB doesn't increase the number of universes, then it shouldn't increase from 3 to 6 universes, but for some reason, it does increase to 6 universes. Do you see the logical contradiction here? If it doesn't give a multiplier in universes, then it shouldn't give Vegito universes, no matter if it's scaling to statements on that lvl(that's not a feat because they didn't destroy 2 macrocosmoses) or not.
Idk how you misread what I said that badly, I'm saying it does function as a fixed multiplier but said multiplier is not the justification for him reaching those levels, just the other feats the forms have.
There's no canonical real statement on these transformations increasing universes, just that they have feats scaling to 6 universes for some characters. The only reason why the characters at base aren't also 6 universes is because the real gap between SSB and base is entirely and utterly unquantifiable.
If this multiplier is not the reason why he reached this lvl, then it should be his base power because it would make an enourmous contradiction where SSB gives universes, but at the same time it doesn't, and by that it shouldn't let him scale to this statement lvl.
And there is no statements that to reach other other universes you need to cross an "unknown"(immesuarble) distance in like 99% of verses, but somehow this wiki still makes this rule, so because it was stated that transformations increase power by authors logic it would give more universes. Also we know difference between SSB and base, it's SSG*SS1(50-500 multiplier), and this power amp doesn't varies from one character to another, cuz it's a transformation for power boost.
Nothing implies SSB increases the amount of universes AND nothing implies there's a finite gap between SSB and base, hence why we just don't make assumptions for either case and just scale just SSB to 6 universes for Vegito at this point.
That just means we know the difference between it and SSG, until you have evidence for SSG's multiplier then it's still unquantifiable for SSB to base (or SSG to base).
Multipliers per our rules do not give you higher universal levels:
There's a staff thread where we're also adding an explanation with the following justification:
SSB is considered an amplifier which increases his strength from 3x 2-C to 6x 2-C. But there's no actual numerical multiplication going on as there's no mathematical way to quantify that power jump since it involves effecting a slightly more of an insignificant 5-D axis.
{(x,y,z)∈R^3∣x^2+y^2+z^2 ≤ ∞} from ChatGPT"DB universe is infinite"
good luck explaining how a sphere can be infinite
"ChatGPT give me a response to re-ignite discourse""DB universe is infinite"
good luck explaining how a sphere can be infinite
Bro, fiction can draw whatever they want with the shape of the universe and still considering them infinite"DB universe is infinite"
good luck explaining how a sphere can be infinite
Because it would be illogical. SSB Vegito gets from 3 universes to 6 universe ONLY from SSB multiplier, so by that logic everyone can get more universes from SSG(SSB is SSG with finite mulitplier from SS1, so in terms of universes scaling it shouldn't matter), but somehow we make an assumtion only for Vegito via statements, but in such case this moment should proof that SSG can give universes cuz ONLY this gave Vegito 6 universes logically.
How would that be unquantifiable if we would know the difference between base and SSG and SSG between SSB?
I know this ENTIRE wiki is non-canon and just fans yapping and arguing with each other, but isn't it a point? I mean, if we can logically and narrativly consider it as increasing amount of universes, higher dimensions, outerverses, etc, we do it because it's anyway fans sh*t. As if any official source uses vsbw
corners here mean quadrants, not litteral corners(cube)bro it wasn't me it was him
Snake way is half of mortal universe diameter. 4 million km diameter universe meta!"DB universe is infinite"
good luck explaining how a sphere can be infinite
I sent you message, can you look at it?
I don't see anything bad in using RPG guide, but you need to understand it(it means quadrants here, not litteral corners).RPG GUIDE
I already have,just have no opinions regarding it plus I am preety sure that interview stuff isn't usable here
Ok, I just thought it would be helpful for supporters.
All you do is bait. Give it up.
