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it's litteraly a funny moment and Dragon Ball was gag at the start. Its a fact. Goku even broke a panel at one moment
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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Goku is LITTERALY different
Yes but it's still just nyobon. Goku never did something like this after (no wonder because this is a GAG. A irrevelenat "feat".)
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Okay, so you don't have evidence
Yes, we have that on his character page
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So? "Being different" doesn't mean anything nor discards a feaf.
Meaning nyobon scales.
Goku never BFR'd characters to The Moon even after because he took care of them on Earth.
And, as I said, gag feats are taken in account in literally any profile with "Toon Force" you check. From characters from Dragon Ball like Arale, to characters of other series like SpongeBob, Buga Bunny, Rena Ryuugu, etc. So, "it's a gag" is a meaningless claim given gag feats are indeed accepted and the reason of why characters like this worm can solo all of manga Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z
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RoninSlayer200
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Why would this be a problem bruh.
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Feats like this should not be scaled over. What are you taking about? Dragon Ball is only a gag at the start. After, this is "normal" (grossomodo). We can't scale DBZ character to Nyabon's feat
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Your evidence is that you feel its funny which is appeal to emotion which is a fallacy
Make a CRT
Eden_Warlock99
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We should give the Power Pole 2-C durability since Piccolo could use it to harm Cell Max. Or 4-B via Daima Ig
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Couldn't they amp it via Ki like Trunks does with his sword?
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Yeah (He was joking)
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Vegeta talking about them hitting their physical limits like Jiren did is not the same as being on par with him, nor Frieza. Vegeta talks about the way he wields his power; what he needs to work on to make better use of it. Jiren lost to a Goku who had just reached UI for the first time and was losing damn near every exchange until Goku ran out of power, that is a fact.
Frieza was literally able to transform and defeat his opponent so fast that Goku and Vegeta couldn't even comprehend what the hell had just happened at all. Jiren was able to do what Vegeta couldn't, being in a state of relaxation up until the moment he attacked; going from 0 to 100 essentially.
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Super Anime characters beyond UI Sign Goku one shot all characters in Super Manga but Zen'oh and Daishinkan due to scaling to 2x the amount of universes because of Beerus & Champa shared feat.
DBS:Broly scales to 6 universes (seemingly in base? Idk if that's correct tho, but the 6 universes are on the justification before his God forms), so he one shots Manga Vegito, who only scales to 3 universes (a difference of 1 universe is enough to one shot in the wiki unless there was a Tier 2 CRT I'm not aware of)
DBS:Broly scales to 6 universes (seemingly in base? Idk if that's correct tho, but the 6 universes are on the justification before his God forms), so he one shots Manga Vegito, who only scales to 3 universes (a difference of 1 universe is enough to one shot in the wiki unless there was a Tier 2 CRT I'm not aware of)
Nonynho
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So you'd put Blue Vegito around the level of a transformation of this key, so long as they're 3 universes in AP, right?
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Not necessarily. It is also important to see how far in 3 universes are. For example, base Goku from BoG is 3 universes, so is SSJ Goku but the latter is 50x the former.
Idk if Manga has a scaling chain Blog like Anime does. But as long as they scale somewhere similar in 3 universes, they'd be around the same level, yeah.
Idk if Manga has a scaling chain Blog like Anime does. But as long as they scale somewhere similar in 3 universes, they'd be around the same level, yeah.
Nonynho
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It has but stops all the sudden cuz "Everything is 2-C so no point in calc" and i can't read the entire manga after that point cuz i lack time rn (and even then it'd get just a rough scaling chain, at best).
So far i'll keep using that anime key against GT but i'd really like to use the manga ones, just lack the knowledge in the scaling chain to do so
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oh please
this is written black on white
Stop with the bad interpretations. This is unscesceary. Goku talks about physical strength and Vegeta said that they are comparable to Jiren, Frieza.... on that respect
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StarShooter80
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Yeah UI Goku at that time, who is much weaker than he is currently
You’re just repeating the same points over and over and not actually addressing the counter arguments made, this is just circular reasoning
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He's a One Piece Fan
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"Bad interpretations"
Okay then, provide a counterargument instead; lets see what you come up with.
StarShooter80
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Okay? I'm not sure why that's relevant
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Its a joke about repeated plot points in OP, so OP Fans like repeating stuff. Not really accurate, but still.
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"much weaker" where is the proof?
You guys force me to repeat myself lmao. There are no counter arguments or there's at worst the "inconsistency" one.
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Are they talking about it?
And that
I believe it says here that Jiren has the same level of power as Goku and Vegeta, only Jiren's ki level is more refined than both of them, the only difference being how to use the ki.
And that
I believe it says here that Jiren has the same level of power as Goku and Vegeta, only Jiren's ki level is more refined than both of them, the only difference being how to use the ki.
StarShooter80
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Angel Moro ~ MUI Goku (Moro Saga) < MUI Goku (Beginning of Granolah Saga) < Granolah pre-right eye awakened >= SSBE Vegeta (despite being weaker he’s still comparable) < Ultra Ego Vegeta (a vastly stronger form and pushing Granolah to breaking his limits) < Granolah post-right eye awakened < SSB Goku (Mid-End of Arc) could fight post-right eye awakened Granolah, and after being healed he could fight initial Gas who is even stronger < MUI Goku (End of Granolah Saga) < MUI Goku (Super Hero)
So by this point in time Angel Moro would be much weaker than even a current SSB Goku
The inconsistency of placing Jiren alongside those other fighters is directly the issue lol, he is vastly weaker and that’s made really obvious, as well as other fighters like Moro and Frieza who are also inconsistent to be there
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you can't even see the problem in your scaling lmao
Can you tell me HOW Granolah defeated MUI Goku, please?
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in the manga, Vegeta litteraly says that Jiren is physically on par with them
XSOULOFCINDERX
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This conversation is so stupid. This is shit Goku has been doing since Namek and yet they treat it like a brand new phenomena.
StarShooter80
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I didn't bring up the fight I just said he was stronger, I know he waited until UI's defenses dropped enough to make the attack. The thing is Granolah literally wished to be the strongest before their encounter, which just automatically places him higher at that point in time
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Yes
Granolah MAX > Goku
And this is still the case currently
Nothing to proves that Goku MUI Granola is WELL above Goku MUI Moro
Just that Granola is that much close to Goku
StarShooter80
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Huh, both at their max would just result in Granolah being stronger at the start of the arc
Later on in the arc Goku forces Gas to evolve even more, who wished to become the strongest after Granolah so no. Granolah was only able to surpass Gas with his charged attack overtime.
There's also SSBE Vegeta being comparable to granolah, who becomes much stronger in Ego, and then a healed Goku can keep up with Gas in Blue who's even stronger than the Granolah that overpowered UE Vegeta, and is vastly stronger in his Ultra Instinct by the end of the arc. And on top of all that Goku becomes several years stronger by the time of Super Hero
After months worth of training with his accelerated development? Yeah he would be much stronger
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and gas
Yes. Goku and Vegeta are CLOSE. But Gas AND Granolah were the strongest. The reason of why Granolah was the one tasked with the final blow (tho Gas tanked it)
Nothing to proves it
And at the end
Yes. Goku and Vegeta are CLOSE. But Gas AND Granolah were the strongest. The reason of why Granolah was the one tasked with the final blow (tho Gas tanked it)
Nothing to proves it
StarShooter80
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Granolah normally was not the strongest by the end my guy he isn't even third. Gas had his locked away power unsealed and just began to absolutely decimate Granolah. After being healed TUI Goku reached Gas' level and surpassed it, forcing Gas to age even more to gain more power than before.
The only reason Granolah's blast did so much damaged was because it was an amplified one. It's like how in the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo was much weaker than Raditz but could one-shot him with a Makankōsappō. Physically Piccolo/Granolah are far weaker than Raditz/Gas, but can surpass their power with charged attacks.
Physically, Granolah (and by extension Moro who's weaker than him) are far inferior to Goku and Vegeta by the end of the Granolah Saga, who get several years worth stronger by the time of Super Hero
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"After being healed TUI Goku reached Gas' level and surpassed it, forcing Gas to age even more to gain more power than before" Yes, but that's just means TUI Goku > MUI Goku. I mean, minutes before, MUI Goku was losing. I don't really understand WHY Beerus and Whis said that MUI was Goku's best since this is shown that TUI > MUI but anyway, this don't proves that there is a GAP between MUI Goku from today and MUI Goku from Top.
Finally, when Gas defeated Granolah, this latter was WEAKENED + he took him by surprise bc Granolah attacked Elec + this is Elec who landed the last blow on Granolah... and it didn't even work.
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"Physically Piccolo/Granolah are far weaker than Raditz/Gas, but can surpass their power with charged attacks". Gas is one thing, but RADITZ?
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-Intermission-
I'll consider that y'all won't be tremendously against anything and develop the Super vs GT match, sending here when i post it.
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I'll consider that y'all won't be tremendously against anything and develop the Super vs GT match, sending here when i post it.
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Oh stop it we read the same arc
don't come talking about Granolah if you haven't read
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