All Might Vs Knuckles

[AccelerAx]

Prime All Might and STC Knuckles are used

Speed is Equal

Both are Bloodlusted

Who Wins?

All Might (Prime):

Knuckles (Sonic: The Comic): 3 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Mand21, lonliosite)

Inconclusive: 5 (Grandlewon, SMASHssf2, Mariogoods, ThisThingisReallyBroken, ElixirBlue)

 

[AccelerAx]

Bump

 

[SMASHssf2]

Let's see how this goes

 

[Grandlewon]

Knuckles scales to Sonic's 51.7 Megatons feat, there is no calc for prime All Might, but wounded All Might is around baseline city level (6.3 Megatons). To match Knuckles, prime All Might needs to be around 8 times stronger than wounded All Might. Was he that much stronger? There is no way to know.

Inconclusive.

 

[SMASHssf2]

Knuckles scales to Sonic's 51.7 Megatons feat, there is no calc for prime All Might, but wounded All Might is around baseline city level (6.3 Megatons). To match Knuckles, prime All Might needs to be around 8 times stronger than wounded All Might. Was he that much stronger? There is no way to know.

Inconclusive.

Yeah I guess.
Incon FRA

 

[AccelerAx]

So that's two votes for Incon.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Uh, Knuckles is City level+ while it seems All Mights massively upscales from baseline City level.
Now I'm not sure to which degree he upscales to, but as long as it isn't stated, I'm assuming Knuckles is going to have a pretty significant AP advantage over him

Voting Knuckles for now

 

[Daddybrawl]

I’m no MHA expert, but the profile says Prime All-Might claimed he could beat Nomu in 5 Hits, where his weakened state would be taken 300. If we take that literally, that means Prime is at least 60x as strong as Weak. However, that is pretty iffy scaling, so I can see why that’s not applicable.

 

[00potato]

It seems clear enough.

 

[AccelerAx]

Bump

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Inconclusive FRA.

 

[AccelerAx]

Bump

 

[AccelerAx]

Bump

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Incon FRA

 

[Armorchompy]

I'm not interested in the match, but why are you guys acting as if AP is the only thing that matters? Both of these characters are brawlers sure, but doesn't All-Might have range and flight?

 

[Grandlewon]

I'm not interested in the match, but why are you guys acting as if AP is the only thing that matters? Both of these characters are brawlers sure, but doesn't All-Might have range and flight?

All Might's flight isn't that great. As for range, I think, he can keep attacking Knuckles with air and jumping away. And that exactly what he will do, since he is bloodlusted.

Actually, I'm switching my vote to All Might.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You realize that Knuckles has about 8 times AP advantage right?

 

[00potato]

No he doesn’t?

 

[Daddybrawl]

I’m no MHA expert, but the profile says Prime All-Might claimed he could beat Nomu in 5 Hits, where his weakened state would be taken 300. If we take that literally, that means Prime is at least 60x as strong as Weak. However, that is pretty iffy scaling, so I can see why that’s not applicable.

I said this, but obviously I understand why it’d be a bit sketchy.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Knuckles is City level+ while All Might greatly upscales from baseline City level. That would mean Knuckles have a very big AP advantage over All Might

 

[Armorchompy]

I’m no MHA expert, but the profile says Prime All-Might claimed he could beat Nomu in 5 Hits, where his weakened state would be taken 300. If we take that literally, that means Prime is at least 60x as strong as Weak. However, that is pretty iffy scaling, so I can see why that’s not applicable.

I also disagree with this completely. It's not such a linear difference, I mean. If this Nomu would be able to survive blows from someone with 60x AP, he'd have been completely immune to a weakened All-Might's blows.

 

[Daddybrawl]

That makes sense.

 

[AccelerAx]

Bump

 

[AccelerAx]

Bump

 

[Mand21]

Knuckles for his "at most 8x" AP advantage.
I'll argue for why All Might cannot have 8x more power than his weakened form: that's because, here on this wiki, a 5x Durability to AP rate is considered a stomp. A character 5x more durable than the other person can damage can be safely assumed to no-sell them, or at least take so little damage that their opponent is meaningless and they can deal with them however they want.

As such, Prime All Might, in order to previously defeat in five blows an opponent he now took 300 to beat (that is, he was not that stronger even when breaking his limits), had to be beneath the level of being able to One-Shot that Nomu. Most likely, he was beneath our AP stomp range.

If Prime All Might is 4x stronger than Weakened All Might, that makes him have half the power of the current Knuckles.
On top of that, Knuckles has a higher versatility overall, with stuff such as pseudo-flight.

I vote Knuckles.

 

[Grandlewon]

On top of that, Knuckles has a higher versatility overall, with stuff such as pseudo-flight.

All might has pseudo-flight too. He also has air manipulation. I don't see, how Knuckles is more versatile.

 

[Mand21]

Well, Knuckles also has climbing and underwater breathing.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Voting Incon.

I know Knuckles has a special power welding the Grey Chaos Emerald, but STC Emeralds aren't recorded on the wiki yet.

 

[Ionliosite]

Knuckles FRA

 

[Schnee_One]

Knuckles for his "at most 8x" AP advantage.
I'll argue for why All Might cannot have 8x more power than his weakened form: that's because, here on this wiki, a 5x Durability to AP rate is considered a stomp. A character 5x more durable than the other person can damage can be safely assumed to no-sell them, or at least take so little damage that their opponent is meaningless and they can deal with them however they want.

As such, Prime All Might, in order to previously defeat in five blows an opponent he now took 300 to beat (that is, he was not that stronger even when breaking his limits), had to be beneath the level of being able to One-Shot that Nomu. Most likely, he was beneath our AP stomp range.

If Prime All Might is 4x stronger than Weakened All Might, that makes him have half the power of the current Knuckles.
On top of that, Knuckles has a higher versatility overall, with stuff such as pseudo-flight.

I vote Knuckles.

A 7.5x AP gap is considered a stomp actually

 

[Mand21]

A 7.5x AP gap is considered a stomp actually

Only after 7.5x? Where did you see that? I recall it only taking 5x. What's the basis for this?

 

[Daddybrawl]

A 7.5x Lead is what’s needed for a One-Shot according to the One-Shot Rules

 

[Mand21]

A 7.5x Lead is what’s needed for a One-Shot according to the One-Shot Rules

How was this value reached?

 

[Daddybrawl]

That’s the minimum AP difference between a typical person and a 9-C (aka Trained, Olympic or something similar) Character. Since things such as KnIves, Guns and Grenades, all of which are 9-C would one-shot a typical dude, or some Olympic Gold Medalist would likely destroy some random in a fistfight, it was the perfect value.
Note that that’s only for Vsdebates purposes. Just because Saitama one-shots someone doesn’t mean he innately has a 7.5x AP advantage, it just means he’s strong enough to one-shot them.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The stomp value (meaning by how much a character need to be stronger than another character to one shot them) changes between verses and can be much less than 7.5, such as 2 times for Dragon Ball (Meaning in DB you can't even damage someone twice as strong as you)

7.5 times applies only to VS matches here and can't be used for scaling

 

[Daddybrawl]

In example, Knuckles here can absolutely one-shot All-Might. With an 8x AP advantage, it’s like trying to tank and Grenade up-close, it just wont work.
However, Knuckes can also one-shot Metal Sonic (pretend he can) in his verse. That does not mean he has a 7.5x advantage, as the 7.5x advantage is merely for vsdebates. It just means he’s stronger than Metal Sonic by an unquantifiable amount.

 

[Mand21]

Funnily enough, in Hunter x Hunter you can theoretically one-shot someone a million times stronger than you so long as they Zetsu and let you land a Ko, so I can understand why the in-universe gap could be lower or higher, or even "one-shotting doesn't really mean anything necessarily because of verse mechanics".

 

[ElixirBlue]

Learning something new everyday is fun. I didn't know before.