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Or should I say Naruto:
Naruto's MC power reigns supreme:
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He doesn't normally try anything of that nature or generate that much Amaterasu from what we've seen of him in the series. Though I do feel like in the case of Minato, its almost impossible for him to actually make the mistake of looking Sasuke in the eyes. He knows the threat the Sharigan poses in general and a supee-up version has reason to not even take that risk.Sasuke can easily control where Minato will be able to go through lighting the battlefield with Amaterasu. Then Minato has to worry about the battlefield while also keeping mind not to get caught in a Genjutsu. A slip up for Minato is far more fatal (and likely) than for Sasuke to slip up.
Naw Sasuke utilized that strategy against Itachi. Sasuke is a smart guy, I'd see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to limit Minato's movement, since that's the only thing keeping Minato in this fight.He doesn't normally try anything of that nature or generate that much Amaterasu from what we've seen of him in the series.
But when has it ever been stated or even implied that FTG can only teleport solid objects?I never said it didn't physically exist, but it's not something you can just touch or grab, there's a reason why we give characters made of fire a form of intangibility and characters who can interact with them NPI.
Ok but I was just refuting your point that how Sharingan genjutsu works is always different.I was in favor of Ay receiving a resistance based on his own feat, but I don't remember ever agreeing with scaling resistances to other characters. Regardless of whether I accepted it or not though, it's just not something this wiki accepts under any circumstances.
To illustrate to you how hopeless this proposition is, Jiren was denied Resistance to Existence Erasure countless times, despite literally everyone (including staff) agreeing that there is no way in hell Toppo can just Hakai Jiren and win.
Scaling resistances is just something never done on the site. You'll have to change the standards first before attempting that. (Of course this is only for scaling resistances via power and whatnot, I'm sure you understand what I mean)
Here he's already surrounded by a cloak of his own chakra, which he can extend in the form of his chakra arms. In base that is not the case. He's not passively engulfed by his own chakra.
Because the flames will spread to his arms.
Not really sure what this has to do with anything....
If you're interested in seeing how those matchups would go, just make them lol.
Sure, but what stops Sasuke from just hitting him with it again? Eventually he'll succumb to the heat and burns, it's not like he's immune to them after all.
Essentially although that really shouldn't be the deciding factor.So is the question whether Minato can interact with Amaterasu via FTG or something?
None of that fancy shaping will matter an iota if Minato just poofs it away or onto Sasuke.Even if he could Sasuke’s control of Amaterasu is too much. It’s not like it’s a linear attack ball, it’s chaotic fire that Sasuke can shape how he pleases.
Ah come on Minato has Relativistic reactions it's not gonna be that easy to spawn it onto him.And he can freely spawn it in his line of sight over and over, coupled with his precog and kinetic vision keeping track of both where his opponent is and where he will be.
Thank you.Hmm, due to the starting distance and location I feel like Ametarsu wouldn't be Sasuke's go to. He's more likely to go for a Susano arrow or something else that'll cover the range between him and Minato quickly. There isn't likely for their to be clear line of sight for Sasuke to use that attack.
After that fact, that gives Minato enough time to set up his FTG, though due to how his Sharigan works Sasuke would probably be able to track Minato teleporting even if he doesn't realize at first what exactly Minato can do.
While I feel like Sasuke is the most powerful here, I do think Minato is actually smarter and a better strategizer. I also don't think Minato will really position himself properly for Sasuke to use a flat Amaterasu to land directly on Minato. Instead, he'd probably rely on Blaze Release to try and crowd control.
I also feel like Sasuke has Minato beat in the stamina department, so for Minato to really win he needs to land a decisive hit before Sasuke hits him good or he runs out of steam.
With sage mode, I feel like Minato could potentially damage or breakthrough Sasuke's Susano, I think he's more likely to try and get a back Rasegan. That or do something to seal away his chakra or Sharingan.
On Sasukes's side, he really just needs to restrict Minato's mobility since without that Minato's a sitting duck.
Don't really know which way I'll vote yet but figured I'd say that now
Minato can throw a kunai at places where there isn't Amaterasu. And Minato is an unparalleled genius, slipping up isn't likely. Also a slip up for Sasuke is incredible fatal too as if Minato touches him directly even ONCE it's pretty much done. Not much he can do about a surprise kunai to the neck from behind.Sasuke can easily control where Minato will be able to go through lighting the battlefield with Amaterasu. Then Minato has to worry about the battlefield while also keeping mind not to get caught in a Genjutsu. A slip up for Minato is far more fatal (and likely) than for Sasuke to slip up.
Assuming he lasts long enough to figure that out. We saw how Ay's attempt at figuring FTG out and countering it went. Obviously Sasuke's more versatile and powerful than Ay, but just to give an example of how good Minato is at tricking his opponents with it.Naw Sasuke utilized that strategy against Itachi. Sasuke is a smart guy, I'd see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to limit Minato's movement, since that's the only thing keeping Minato in this fight.
Aren't there Genjutsu that don't require eye contact
YaThe Hiraishin Jutsu needs a marking to where you are teleporting, but the object that is going through teleportation doesn't need that depending on the situation
Minato could teleport Naruto, Kushina and Kurama, for example, without any marking and only by physical contact, he doesn't need to mark both the target and the location in order to the trick (If he needs to teleport someone to another place while at a distance, then yes, he needs to mark both), that also could be used for the Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu, which is a totally different story
For the fight, I do see Sasuke at a advantage at first, because while on Susanoo (Very in character to cover himself on it) he is rather well protected against most of Minato's arsenal since the Kunais won't reach him, however actually harming MInato can be a challenge, since he activates the Hiraishin at Relativistic reaction speed while Sasuke's attacks are Sub Rel. While he doesn't know about the Hiraishin, Sasuke is smart enough to perceive that Minato can teleport between his Kunais in a rather short time, so covering the field with Amaterasu in order to downgrade Minato's mobility is, well, obvious, and when that happens, he'll have to attack Sasuke, and as I said earlier, Susanoo will counter most of his attacks
Sharingan Genjutsu likely won't work, Minato fought powerful Genjutsu users and never was caught, IF he gets caught, however, it's game over
Gamabunta gets obliterated by Amaterasu, SM is out of character for Minato, and saying that it is faster than Kamui is a big push since we don't know when exactly Minato started to concentrate for it, he himself said he takes too long to gather the Senjutsu and can't maintain it for long, also saying that he never used on a real battle, it's literally a moot point here and Sasuke knowing about it makes 0 difference
Last I checked Ephemeral isn't on his profile.Aren't there Genjutsu that don't require eye contact, also knowing not to get caught in Genjutsu doesn't mean he won't get caught.
But replace Naruto's back with the front of the Susanoo where the mark is placed.
And activating Susanoo isn't a go to move, he hardly used it all in the Juubito fight until he fought alongside BSM Naruto, only ever using the Ribcage to protect Naruto iirc.
He threw a kunai. You can't move when gathering nature energy. Seems pretty clear to me. Also feats>statements. Minato could just have been humble, as he often is.
I'm saying the outside of the Susanoo is marked, then he can teleport in the angle of the inside of the Susanoo a few meters in so he teleports INSIDE the Susanoo. And it's really not that hard, he just needs to tap it real quick.How that help him ? He teleports to the Susanoo, but won't damage Sasuke. Also that needs a marking on the Susanoo, something not that easy to do unless with a Kunai, something that Sasuke very likely won't allow
It was against Kabuto, it was even for some Zetsus, in a fight where the opponent has such control over the field, Susanoo is the best bet to cover himself, he literally did this + Amaterasu when he couldn't track the Raikage, here it's a even more dangerous situation
Humble in a situation against Madara where they need either Senjutsu or Taijustu ? That wouldn't make sense
My bet about this is due to the fact that Minato's fighting style is super fast paced, and stopping even for a brief moment to gather natural energy goes against it, that's why it "takes too long", but that's not the main issue with the quote. The big problem is him saying that he never used in battle, being fast and useful don't change that, at bare minimum it's out of character for him even in extremely dangerous situations, like for example when Kurama attacked the village, Minato was running out of chakra after teleporting him, SM would be perfect, but he died without using it
You mentioned he would use it for more damage, can we say it would be enough ?
I wonder if Minato can teleport the Susanoo away, he did with a Jubi Bijudama and could teleport his + Naruto's Kurama AvatarOh this is not speed equal, hm… I feel like turning on Susanoo is just, something quick and provides overall good defense to Minato’s overall weaker attacks- he always was more of a precision type attacker than a brute one
Minato’s way faster but I don’t think Sasuke’s outclassed enough to not be able to turn on Susano’o and just block anything he does
SM's a damn good offense.Alright, I did a quick look
People are arguing if Minato can Flying Raijin away from an Amaterasu blast, the answer is just… yes. If he can do it with Madara’s Truthseeking Orbs, he can do it here too (although, he had to take away his jacket immediately or he’d probably get cucked
However, I feel like that’s not what’s the real issue here. Overall, I feel like at this point Minato is generally the better shinobi- but Sasuke is just… a really bad matchup. Minato’s main fighting style revolves around teleportation and melee combat utilizing a kunai of all things. While it’s really impressive that he can make a kunai actually work in combat in general- his melee focus makes things tough for him. Sasuke in EMS uses Susano’o, like, way too bloody often- utterly spams it. His Sharingan Precog isn’t gonna help since Minato’s movement is instant- but that damn purple giant is just too good of a defense
That's what I think, or he could seal it away.I wonder if Minato can teleport the Susanoo away, he did with a Jubi Bijudama and could teleport his + Naruto's Kurama Avatar
Unlikely, we never saw exactly what was Minato's level in SM, unfortunatelyDoes Minato have any way of breaking the susanoo, would sage mode do it?
I belive so, as both SM and Susanoo are unquantifiably above High 7-A.Does Minato have any way of breaking the susanoo, would sage mode do it?
Minato vote?However if he can teleport the Susanoo away that opens even by a second the only opening he needs to cut Sasuke down. And the Susanoo's defense was the only thing, for me, that was keeping him solid in the battle. Minato isn't stupid to look in Sasuke's eyes + he fought a capable Uchiha Genjutsu user and wasn't caught + He can teleport away from Amaterasu.
Also, my mistake, it was Tobirama who teleported Minato’s and Naruto's Kurama avatar, but since his Hiraishin is better than the 2nd Hokage, I don't see a problem saying he is also capable of doing the same
YesMinato vote?
This is very trueYes
Sasuke is my favorite character but Minato is built different, apparently
Ya but when he teleported Sasuke away the Susanoo was gone in the next panel.I… didn’t think about that huh
I have a feeling that would just… teleport Sasuke away too, since in that panel that’s what happened, and Tobirama did the same with the Kurama Avatars
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BFR…
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I think Minato upscales from 5x of the MHS+ calc.Out of curiosity cuz I might make a Minato vs Gunvolt thread with speed unequal, where does the SubRel and Rel speed values come from?
Also I don’t think Minato’s enough of a jerk to BFR like that
I mean, think about it like this. If Sasuke starts the fight similar to this:Bet. Tbh, I’m going incon, it’s debatable whether he can teleport away Susano’o, even then Sasuke still has things like Chidori Stream, Amaterasu Shielding, a whole bunch of anti-melee stuff. But Sasuke isn’t gonna catch Minato either
He was testing out, but later he doesn't use it immediately.If he does lol, IMO I think he’s just gonna pop susanoo immediately because that’s just… what he does- like the first thing we Sasuke do in EMS, ever, was use Susasno’o
That is incorrect. Sasuke was stated to surpass Itachi only when he obtained the EMS.The only Advantage of EMS Sasuke was his eyes doesnt go blind. He doesnt get any boost overall stats.
Minato could still blitz him. I Doubt EMS Sasuke have a reaction that fast to even activate Susanoo. When you saw him fought Obito or Madara. He still get punch in the face n faceroll through entire land of konoha..
That is incorrect. Sasuke was stated to surpass Itachi only when he obtained the EMS.
Not on the profiles he wouldn't. They're both Sub Rel with Relativistic reactions.
On their profiles Minato isn't as fast as Juubito or Madara.
Not talking about the databooks. Those are written by Kishimoto and are very much canon. I'm talking about the profiles on this site. Official vs battles need to be argued with the stats used here. And at the moment, Minato is Sub Relativistic with Relativistic reactions and so is Sasuke.Saying Minato isn't fast as Madara. Because Databook. We already know that Databook does not match the Manga canon book.
On Manga
- Madara stated that Tobirama was the fastest Shinobi during their Era when they were alived.
- Tobirama stated that Minato Surpass his speed.
Rinnengan Boost character, but not EMS. It does not say there that his speed is twice faster than his brother.
If you look carefully when Sasuke Obtain EMS after the fight with danzo.. Remember he fought Kabuto.. SM Kabuto was able rekt EMS Sasuke alone.
Itachi > SM Kabuto > EMS Sasuke
Now go and see that fight Edo Itachi + EMS Sasuke vs SM Kabuto. You will see that even Itachi still have advantage over EMS Sasuke.
Also if you read EMS "Eye Technique Surpassed his own Brothers". He never did surpass Itachi in Manga as Itachi had Izanami and Izanagi which was beyond sasuke abilities (Izanami was Uhicha Secret Technique that punish Izanagi user, it was explained by Itachi).
Minato was still faster than Obito kamui. Remember he was able to tag Obito with Rasengan when EMS Sasuke couldn't even tag Obito.
Amaterasu u mean?Sasuke FRA.
Not talking about the databooks. Those are written by Kishimoto and are very much canon. I'm talking about the profiles on this site. Official vs battles need to be argued with the stats used here. And at the moment, Minato is Sub Relativistic with Relativistic reactions and so is Sasuke.
EMS is obviously a speed boost, cause Blind SM Madara was stated to be weaker than his EMS version.
AKA EMS is a bigger amp than SM.
Edo Itachi>>Alive Itachi, who Sasuke surpassed.
Eye techniques doesn't just refer to special abilities. It could mean Sasuke's ability at tracking movement and Inferno Style and Susanoo.
Rinnegan Obito>>YM Obito
Amaterasu u mean?
That's not his own strength. Kurama is only a summon he has under very specific circumstances.When Madara was resurrected he still posses Hashirama Cells. (his body was alter by Kabuto).
On his Past Madara had EMS + 100% Kyuubi..
Obtaining EMS does not boost character Physical abilities. Otherwise EMS Sasuke could blitz the crap out of SM Kabuto with ease.
When Sasuke Obtain Rinnengan he had boosted just like how Obito did.
How come Edo Itachi still need to save EMS Sasuke? If you look at the fight between Sasuke vs Itachi. Sasuke speed was on par with Itachi. Your telling us that Edo Itachi had been also boosted and surpass his stats when he was alive? But Manga stated that Edo has limit on exerting its power. Even Edo Hashirama couldn't pull up its 1000 Buddha that pimp slap EMS Madara Perfect Susanoo + 100% Kyuubi.
So No, EMS doesnt boost any speed at all. It may grant firepower. but it does NOT boost character FOOT speed.
Base naruto at the end fought Sasuke at the end. Base Naruto wasnt in chakra cloak or Sage Mode at the start if their fight. He was just in base mode and yet Sasuke couldn't blitz him at the valley of end.
Even Naruto never had 100% Kyuubi, It was Half kyuubi all the time.