Alien x vs Yhwach

[Delta333]

I think that EE of AX can hit soul,if it can't then Yhwach can just regen as always

 

[manu_zarri]

Demigra vs Alien X was won via EE'ing his soul iirc and currently on his page.

I would remind that AX Win match ups are outdated

 

[Greenshifter]

it's only a factor of range, no hax have AP (expected when they have)

I already defeated all Mario people on the notion of EE potency is related to range a few months ago, do I really have to get the scan of DDM saying I'm right?

 

[Greenshifter]

I would remind that AX Win match ups are outdated

Not really, Alien X got downgraded to Low 2-C and then I got the permission to re-add the fight.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Dude lost to Gogeta :/

 

[manu_zarri]

I already defeated all Mario people on the notion of EE potency is related to range a few months ago, do I really have to get the scan of DDM saying I'm right?

No you don't, EE is just wipe out of existence, range only. that's why HA Dio losed his 2-A and Alien X losed his 2-B

 

[PrinceofPein]

You clearly don't understand how regen works here. Godly regen is > physical destruction. Destroying the universe doesn't bypass low godly.

Low-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other nonphysical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else.

I'm sure low godly-regen does not cover coming back from EE of universal scale. AX EE is definitely erasing everything and there will be nothing left to regenerate from

 

[Greenshifter]

Yhwach have cosmic awareness too

Sure it was in response to people wondering if Alien X could see him or not though.

 

[Greenshifter]

Dude lost to Gogeta :/

Sure, in-character =/= bloodlusted.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yhwach can come back to life after having his soul blow up. Yhwach can teleport with Almighty. Yhwach travel dimensions. Yhwach has many ways to avoid been hit.

Teleport outside the universe and exist in nothingness??
Scans?

 

[manu_zarri]

I'm sure low godly-regen does not cover coming back from EE of universal scale. AX EE is definitely erasing everything and there will be nothing left to regenerate from

Range dosen't matter, it's unrelated to regen.

 

[Greenshifter]

No you don't, EE is just wipe out of existence, range only. that's why HA Dio losed his 2-A and Alien X losed his 2-B

EE itself has a hax potency that doesn't scale to AP, it's like mindhax potency, the more you affect, the better.

 

[Greenshifter]

Range dosen't matter, it's unrelated to regen.

That is true, it is related to Almighty's capabilities though. In case someone tries to say Almighty would work to counter EE, which tbf Purgy argued before IIRC and it made some sense.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I'm sure low godly-regen does not cover coming back from EE of universal scale. AX EE is definitely erasing everything and there will be nothing left to regenerate from

Did you read what you just said? Thats literally what Low-Godly allows you to come back from...

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I'm sure low godly-regen does not cover coming back from EE of universal scale. AX EE is definitely erasing everything and there will be nothing left to regenerate from

Literally no. Please read the pages.

This ability's destructive power is not absolute, and one should not assume that it can erase the soul by default. It can only be judged by what it has accomplished

 

[manu_zarri]

EE itself has a hax potency that doesn't scale to AP, it's like mindhax potency, the more you affect, the better.

where is writed? like which page?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

EE itself has a hax potency that doesn't scale to AP, it's like mindhax potency, the more you affect, the better.

Since when is EE scaled by number you can erase at one time? Link the thread this was accepted.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Range dosen't matter, it's unrelated to regen.

i am talking about an EE potent enough to wipe out a universe not range,

 

[PrinceofPein]

Did you read what you just said? Thats literally what Low-Godly allows you to come back from...

Maybe you should also read AX page

 

[manu_zarri]

i am talking about an EE potent enough to wipe out a universe not range,

1) more than a universe, AX can errase a Multiversal construct

2) we consider it as Range.

 

[Greenshifter]

Look people, the Ben 10 pages are a little outdated and all that jazz, either you accept scans and I can argue Alien X blinks Yhwach out of existence and then maybe someone can bring up Almighty and it becomes incon. Or you don’t and then Alien X gets soul crushed and this fight is a stomp.

 

[Greenshifter]

As for the EE thing. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M...eadId=4400000000001370939#4400000000004953480

DDM is clearly differentiating between low 2-C and 2-B EE here. I think it’s not written on pages since we usually don’t write stuff like potencies on it (you don’t see 4D EE >>>> 3D EE on the page either IIRC) and second it’s common logic.

This is the best I could find on short notice but you can ask other people and they’ll agree with me.

 

[manu_zarri]

then explain how Gogeta win against AX because of "Resistance to EE", DBS EE at best is Low 2-C or 2-C, definitely not 2-B

 

[Greenshifter]

Gogeta’s resistance to EE is 3D... Alien X doesn’t use EE in-character nor did Gogeta win due to resistance to EE, he won due to resistance to mindhax.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

As for the EE thing. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M...eadId=4400000000001370939#4400000000004953480

DDM is clearly differentiating between low 2-C and 2-B EE here. I think it’s not written on pages since we usually don’t write stuff like potencies on it (you don’t see 4D EE >>>> 3D EE on the page either IIRC) and second it’s common logic.

This is the best I could find on short notice but you can ask other people and they’ll agree with me.

This is wall post not an official thread stating EE is scaled this way. And we most definitely write it on the pages that use that hax scaling. Many staff have different views on different things.

Mind and Soul Manipulation which are the only ones scaled by number affected.

Generally speaking, we judge the potency of Soul Manipulation both by what it can do and by how many people its user can affect at once with it. This may range from only a few people at a time to entire planetary populations.

Generally speaking, we judge the potency of Mind Manipulation both by what it can do and by how many people its user can affect at once with it. This may range from only a few people at a time to entire planetary populations.

 

[manu_zarri]

Gogeta’s resistance to EE is 3D... Alien X doesn’t use EE in-character nor did Gogeta win due to resistance to EE, he won due to resistance to mindhax.

pretty sure it's the most things that people agrue in theards is EE

 

[Greenshifter]

This is wall post not an official thread stating EE is scaled this way. And we most definitely write it on the pages that use that hax scaling.

That is fair, but I know a lot of people on VSBW who scale EE like this and the chance that DDM is wrong here is very slim, especially since he doesn’t have any stakes in that debate.

You can create a thread for it if you want, I’m just going by what people have gone by for years.

Also haven’t you guys ever wondered why DBH people say Goku has 2-A EE resistance instead of 4D?

 

[Greenshifter]

pretty sure it's the most things that people agrue in theards is EE

Just read the thread

 

[Delta333]

it's like mindhax potency, the more you affect, the better.

mind hax and EE are two completely different things,why they work the same way?

 

[Greenshifter]

mind hax and EE are two completely different things,why they work the same way?

I don’t know actually, I just know it’s been done like that for the past 4 years. To the point I even argued time stop potency to be based on range just like EE (which also used to be the case years back). Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying they work the exact same way, just that the more universes you erase with a single attack, the more potent your EE is.

 

[AppleLord]

Teleport outside the universe and exist in nothingness??
Scans?

The outside of the universe in Bleach is called Garganta. The universes and dimensions exist inside of it.

Yhwach can open a portal there on his own. (It's not the Dangai because that has a floor unlike Garganta)

The Garganta is a "void" that covers the "dimensions/universes" as if they were "planets" and garganta is their "outer space".

Dangai is a physical tunnel with its own time and space.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

That is fair, but I know a lot of people on VSBW who scale EE like this and the chance that DDM is wrong here is very slim, especially since he doesn’t have any stakes in that debate.

You can create a thread for it if you want, I’m just going by what people have gone by for years.

Also haven’t you guys ever wondered why DBH people say Goku has 2-A EE resistance instead of 4D?

I don't have to make a thread for it. This isn't an official thing. People spout random things all the time. And guess what for year's people have been using”called light” as proof of lightspeed when it apparently isn't proof. A thread was made and all. So unless I see a thread where it's accepted EE is scaled like that it's wrong.

 

[Greenshifter]

(2) Existence Erasure potency | VS Battles Wiki Forum good enough? Guess we wait for input now.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I don't have to make a thread for it. This isn't an official thing. People spout random things all the time. And guess what for year's people have been using”called light” as proof of lightspeed when it apparently isn't proof. A thread was made and all. So unless I see a thread where it's accepted EE is scaled like that it's wrong.

Okay so do you vote for Yhwach?

 

[PrinceofPein]

The outside of the universe in Bleach is called Garganta. The universes and dimensions exist inside of it.

Yhwach can open a portal there on his own. (It's not the Dangai because that has a floor unlike Garganta)

The Garganta is a "void" that covers the "dimensions/universes" as if they were "planets" and garganta is their "outer space".

Dangai is a physical tunnel with its own time and space.

Garganta is not nothingness tho, people live there so this point is moot

 

[AppleLord]

Garganta is not nothingness tho, people live there so this point is moot

LMAO

What race lives in Garganta?

the stupidest thing I heard all day

 

[PrinceofPein]

LMAO

What race lives in Garganta?

the stupidest thing I heard all day

I dont mean live there literally, I mean people survive there and thats different from the nothingness when there is nothing in existence that will happen if there was no universe at all,

You were the one saying yhwach can survive in nothingness cause he can move through Garganta??
Garganta ≠ nothingness

The very fact that a turbulence of reishi blows within Garganta. To move through it, travelers must create footholds using the Reishi.

Means its not the nothingness of nothing existing.

So yeah its not a stupid thing to say.
Live in my context is not eating and sleeping but surviving there.

Didn't want to reply you at first cause it seems all you want to do is wank to yhwach but well just can't let this slide

 

[Bernkastelll]

Itachi beats goku and one piece if speed is equal, btw.

no cap

 

[Gohanblanco217]

This thread is getting drealed, pls people just vote already

 

[AppleLord]

I dont mean live there literally, I mean people survive there and thats different from the nothingness when there is nothing in existence that will happen if there was no universe at all,

You were the one saying yhwach can survive in nothingness cause he can move through Garganta??
Garganta ≠ nothingness

The very fact that a turbulence of reishi blows within Garganta. To move through it, travelers must create footholds using the Reishi.

Means its not the nothingness of nothing existing.

So yeah its not a stupid thing to say.
Live in my context is not eating and sleeping but surviving there.

Didn't want to reply you at first cause it seems all you want to do is wank to yhwach but well just can't let this slide

Reishi is spiritual matter, kishi is matter. The Garganta, void, nothingness is made of that spiritual matter in nature and outside the world of matter. It covers all dimensions and pocket dimensions like Muken, another void of nothingness. An infinite size dimension used as a prison where Aizen was visited by Yhwach too.

If we follow that dumb logic of yours every single feat of character surviving outside the universe is a contradiction and therefore Alien X will kill himself too because those are not feats. LMAO

Lore is not wank.