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Alien X vs Bill Cipher

Yobobojojo said:
VersusJunkie54 said:
Kaltias said:
That's baseline Low 2-C, no? Bill is above that as he one shot a Low 2-C
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You're forgetting that Alien X's feat was very casual. If Alien X was baseline then he wouldn't have stomped the Dragon Ball Low 2-C's. Bill no longer has Mid Godly regen witch makes this all the more difficult. Time Baby is a baseline Low 2-C going off of statements within the show and such. Both are probably on a similar level power wise.

Then again Alien X still can't put him down thanks to Type 4 Imortality and Non-Corporeality. And a host of other abilities Bill has.

I'd give this to Bill with Mid-High diff
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No matter how casual the feat was, we're not allowed to scale past that.
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Always thought that was idiotic.

Why does this site do this? For example. Character A hits with 100 megatons of force. And it is very clear that it they preformed that feat very casually and effortlessly. Character B hits with 200 megatons of force. But is very clearly giving their all and exausted afterwords.

VBW logic? Character B obviously wins handily and one shots cuz scaling rules and anyone who thinks otherwise is a filthy wanker. Do you see the problem with that? Why is iit all based on numbers and less reasoning/logic? Okay mini rant over. But I still vote for Bill.
 
It's because people like me like to walk popeye really hard for blowing out the sun with his breath.

But anyway, no derailment.
 
Bill: 5 (ZacharyGrossman273, VersusJunkie54, Therefir, TheArsenal1212, Titanijum)

X: 2 (Gargoyle One, TeenAngel101)

Inconclusive: 0
 
Bill with high difficulty, it wouldn't be easily but i do see him win this fight.

+ Greater versatility by having more abilities and powers.

+ He had more combat experience.

+ He isn't going to screw around again a potential threat.
 
Bill: 7 (ZacharyGrossman273, VersusJunkie54, Therefir, TheArsenal1212, Titanijum, Stefano4444, TeenAngel101)

X: 1 (Gargoyle One)

Inconclusive: 0
 
What versatility does Bill have? Barring his shapeshifting and lasers, he doesn't have much outside his RW. He has Space-Time Manip sure, but so does X. Mind Control and Soul Powers? Needs To make a deal first.
 
And going by what we see in the bubbles, they seem to make you go insane by showing you eldritch abominations, and transformation. In other words you get shown horrid visions, and go insane from them. Yeah, because it isn't like Ben hasn't been dealing with horrific things his entire life.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Nvm, just saw the profile. Why is he relevant?
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Celestialsapien personalities can be terrified by Toepick's face.

Maybe there's a chance that that's what the bubbles will show him?
 
Celestialsapien personalities can be terrified by Toepick's face.

Maybe there's a chance that that's what the bubbles will show him?

The bubbles don't show fear specific abilities, they just show random abominations. The chance of it just happening to choose Toepick is stupidly low, and Bill would need to know what Toepicks face looks like to make it.
 
All of Bill's "via versatility" votes need to go. Remember: Quality >>> Quantity. None of his versatility helps him here. It depends on who has more power. Bill can vape low 2-C's, but he visibly needed to charge his laser for a couple moments to do it. X can create Universes out of nothing by raising his hand. I'm giving the power advantage to X, and thus the win to X.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
All of Bill's "via versatility" votes need to go. Remember: Quality >>> Quantity. None of his versatility helps him here. It depends on who has more power. Bill can vape low 2-C's, but he visibly needed to charge his laser for a couple moments to do it. X can create Universes out of nothing by raising his hand. I'm giving the power advantage to X, and thus the win to X.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx2XvcvqzzU

He only needed a single second to generate an attack capable to oneshot a Low 2-C Time Baby and it was done casually, Alien X is not going to have any true power advantage in this battle.

Anyway, the true problem for Alien X is that he simply lack of the experience and the skills to compete again Bill, who had live longer and had likely battle more fights in his quest to ascend in higher dimensions.

There is a reason why he is considered one of the most dangerous entities in existence.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
All of Bill's "via versatility" votes need to go. Remember: Quality >>> Quantity. None of his versatility helps him here. It depends on who has more power. Bill can vape low 2-C's, but he visibly needed to charge his laser for a couple moments to do it. X can create Universes out of nothing by raising his hand. I'm giving the power advantage to X, and thus the win to X.
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Remember something.

X is baseline, Bill is casually above him. A single wipe wouldn't simply kill Bill.

Plus, Bill has everything X has and more.
 
It says on his page that he re-created the universe with a hand wave. I'm pretty sure that is casual.

Living longer doesn't = more fighting experience. Bill has more experience overall,but that doesn't mean we can assume he spent a few billion years fighting.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
It says on his page that he re-created the universe with a hand wave. I'm pretty sure that is casual.

Living longer doesn't = more fighting experience. Bill has more experience overall,but that doesn't mean we can assume he spent a few billion years fighting.
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Yes, he did a casual baseline Low 2-C feat.

Bill did a casual above baseline Low 2-C feat.

Bill has the AP advantage. As both were done casually.
 
Yes, he did a casual baseline Low 2-C feat.

Bill did a casual above baseline Low 2-C feat.

Bill has the AP advantage. As both were done casually.

Recreating the space time of a universe out of nothing >> controlling it.
 
It's still Baseline Low 2-C, no matter how casual.

Bill still has the AP advantage of casually one-shotting a baseline Low 2-C.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
It's still Baseline Low 2-C, no matter how casual.

Bill still has the AP advantage of casually one-shotting a baseline Low 2-C.
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And this makes sense how? One-shotting a baseline is basically the same as one-shotting an actual universe. At least in terms of power.
 
Via this.

You casually make a universe with space-time. Baseline Low 2-C.

You casually one-shot a guy who can make a universe with space-time.

You > Guy you one-shot

Therefore Bill is superior in terms of AP.

There's also nothing stopping Bill from turning X into a statue, or disassembling his molecules, or turning him insane.
 
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