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Alex Mercer vs Sonic

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Or a 2D character stomping a Universal character

also I'm planning on putting Mercer up against the two best haxed Godzilla 7-Cs because why not
 
Genericstickman said:
also I'm planning on putting Mercer up against the two best haxed Godzilla 7-Cs because why not
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Just as long as either of the sides have win conditions... They both better have win conditions (both Mercer and these two Godzilla). We have enough threads with Alex Mercer stomping or being stomped.
 
DeathNoodles said:
Genericstickman said:
also I'm planning on putting Mercer up against the two best haxed Godzilla 7-Cs because why not
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Just as long as either of the sides have win conditions... They both better have win conditions (both Mercer and these two Godzilla). We have enough threads with Alex Mercer stomping or being stomped.
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Well the first Kaiju's wincon is to reduce Mercer to nothing with hax while the other one is to trap him in sludge
 
I mean, I argued for Sonic winning earlier, so claiming it's a stomp is kinda weird when someone believes the character can wi
 
Ok nvm. I now understand.

I'm going to be overkill and vote for Mercer FRA >:)
 
holy **** man

how broken can mercer be? By jove he just beat down a god damned 5B charater

whats next is he gona beat up goku?

also mercer fra
 
In Prototype 2, wasn't Mercer like pretty cocky and likes to toy with his enemies? And since Sonic is an acrobat, he won't get hit immediately. And Sonic does use his hax in character. He not some dummy to use a "hit and run" tactics on his opponents.
 
VioletVoid100 said:
In Prototype 2, wasn't Mercer like pretty cocky and likes to toy with his enemies? And since Sonic is an acrobat, he won't get hit immediately. And Sonic does use his hax in character. He not some dummy to use a "hit and run" tactics on his opponents.
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well not really

mercer only "toyed" with heller and only by killing the priest and that was when he found out that he couldn't absorb heller due to.... oh god... the resilient dna

hell the second heller screwed up mercers plans he flat out whent out after him beat his ass and whent for the kill in a matter of 20 seconds
 
Idk, ignoring the guy that you turned Evolved and has been continuously messing up your plans bit by bit, eating your people, is kinda "Not dealing with it in 20 seconds" kind of ready.

Did this go on grace? Adding a vote on Alex either way. Almost typed Sonic
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
Idk, ignoring the guy that you turned Evolved and has been continuously messing up your plans bit by bit, eating your people, is kinda "Not dealing with it in 20 seconds" kind of ready.
Did this go on grace? Adding a vote on Alex either way. Almost typed Sonic
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thats not really him toying with heller its more so bad writing

since the littral secon he stops white light from being realsed mercer just shows up and proseeds to two shot him tell him that he is desapointed in him and gose for the kill

not to mention hellers been keeping low profile and he is considered one of the 3 evolved that are allmost impposible to track down along side roland and galloway
 
The pen or the sword said:
Allright guys lets not bog this thread down further, if you want to discuss the very poor writing of prototype 2 head over to general discussions.
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Ahem... Or your walls either way this doesn't really belong on this thread. Though considering how cut and dry this is I don't blame you for the derail.
 
Sorry I'm late

1. I like the excuse that "Heller having resilient DNA" means that's why he toyed with him, if anything that's more of a reason to kill him quicker is it not? Because he can't just be absorbed and move on with his life? He toyed with him even before when he GAVE Heller powers, so "Sonic wouldn't just attack someone who looked like a human", how about "Mercer would just give Sonic powers" since we're bringing up excuses about how Sonic would lose an obviously won fight.

2. Why are we assuming Mercer's starting move is gas? If that's the case, why can't Sonic's starting move be homing attack? Or going intangible with a wisp, etc. If we're going to assume Mercer is starting with gas then we can assume Sonic would just start going intangible as a defense. Mercer has cutscenes dictating what he does first to his enemies that aren't fodder. Sonic has cutscences, but nothing showing him what he does in character that the game doesn't limit him to. Sonic starts off with his time stop or time break to get close in for the kill, ring time to transmutate Alex, Magic Hands, etc. Spin Dashes and Homing Attacks are a supplement.

3. "The second Heller screwed up Mercer's plans he went to kill him" Again, as stated before with resurrection or getting gassed, Sonic could just move out the way and take him out, also running through maps like Chemical Plant could also mean the gas wouldn't take an instant effect would it? Because they're acting like the second Heller gasses him that's it. Maybe Mercer's is different, but if that's his only win con, then Sonic wins due to his various other winc cons.
 
VioletVoid100 said:
Sorry I'm late

1. I like the excuse that "Heller having resilient DNA" means that's why he toyed with him, if anything that's more of a reason to kill him quicker is it not? Because he can't just be absorbed and move on with his life? He toyed with him even before when he GAVE Heller powers, so "Sonic wouldn't just attack someone who looked like a human", how about "Mercer would just give Sonic powers" since we're bringing up excuses about how Sonic would lose an obviously won fight.

2. Why are we assuming Mercer's starting move is gas? If that's the case, why can't Sonic's starting move be homing attack? Or going intangible with a wisp, etc. If we're going to assume Mercer is starting with gas then we can assume Sonic would just start going intangible as a defense. Mercer has cutscenes dictating what he does first to his enemies that aren't fodder. Sonic has cutscences, but nothing showing him what he does in character that the game doesn't limit him to. Sonic starts off with his time stop or time break to get close in for the kill, ring time to transmutate Alex, Magic Hands, etc. Spin Dashes and Homing Attacks are a supplement.

3. "The second Heller screwed up Mercer's plans he went to kill him" Again, as stated before with resurrection or getting gassed, Sonic could just move out the way and take him out, also running through maps like Chemical Plant could also mean the gas wouldn't take an instant effect would it? Because they're acting like the second Heller gasses him that's it. Maybe Mercer's is different, but if that's his only win con, then Sonic wins due to his various other winc cons.
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1. Mercer didn't even know that Heller has "Resilient DNA" until Heller started resisting his Absorption/Biological Manipulation/whatever control Heller resisted. Either way, Sonic isn't Heller, so he isn't gaining the same resistance to Mercer's abilities for the same reason that Heller does, so Sonic's molecules are susceptible to the Blacklight Virus.

2. Mercer's starting move being gassing and infecting is literally what he was shown to do even against uninfected fodder. In fact, anybody who has ever encountered Prototype 2 Mercer has either been killed off or infected in some way. Even Heller got infected in the end. There are also instances where Mercer uses gas transmissions to infect his targets (and one of whom occurs when he wasn't even present in the scene). And all these are evidences from the lore/cutscenes. And unless you've shown a cutscene of Sonic starting off with these hax abilities, your arguments for what Sonic "should" starts off with is irrelevant here. As far as I can tell, I can't recall any cutscenes where Sonic has started off with these hax abilities against completely unknown opponents.

3. Unless Sonic can move away from a omnidirectional viral gasses that covers everything within a 200 meter radius, Sonic isn't escaping this with speed equalised that easily.

And no, that isn't Mercer's only win condition as there's his Absorption, though he would more likely to start off with the viral gasses. Also, this match has over seven votes and is on its way to grace in a few hours.
 
I'm a bit tired of the misconception of "Sonic not using his hax first because he's cocky" first of all this concept is just utterly wrong. Why? Because just because Sonic is "cocky" that doesn't mean it's going to hinder him in battle. According to SBA, characters can still kill each other naturally. Sonic has all of his equipment available to him at this current time. There is literally NO reason why Sonic can't use his hax, that is just dumb. If the opponent is a threat and is really strong? Sonic's first thought isn't going to be "Well, I'm going to spin dash or homing attack the enemy"

Sonic is not stupid. Also, Alex Mercer has some kind of gaseous substance he can send out? Why would Sonic NOT use his hax to counteract that kind of thing? Because he's "cocky"? No, if there is a threat and it's really strong? Sonic will find another way to take the enemy out. Sonic is not going to spindash or homing attack his way to victory. If Sonic sees something like that, he's going to formulate another viable strategy instead. Since Sonic has better overall abilities and just better hax in general from the color powers to chaos control. Sonic literally will decimate Alex Mercer with absolute ease.
 
sonic has vearious win cons, they aren't things he uses right away against a sickly human that he doesn't view as a threat. Mercers first in character move is to gas, our argument isn't that alex has more win cons simply he's going for his sole win con before sonic goes for any of his.

sonics bio manip resistant lacks feats of molecular breakdown, heller wasn't gassed mercer attempted to evolve only for him to mutate due to resiliant dna. Mercers gas turns things into basic infected, he has to personally alter people to create prototypes/evolved. The gas takes effect within six seconds, sonics one feat of biomanip is being exposed to unsepcified chemicals, he'd need feats of resisting molecular breakdown.

Sonic hits mercer through his gas, gets infected and mercer gets up six hours later without a problem. Sonic has no feats of returning to life without his body thus after hes broken down into a pile of biomass the fight is over. Your right this fight is obviously won according to the votes and lack of valid argument for why sonic, whos weakness is listed as cocky would pull out any special move from the start against what he see's as nothing more then a base human.
 
Sonic would decimate especially in bloodlust, but here sonic is simply willing to kill, he has no reason to suspect mercer will survive a single hit from him. He's not gonna bother transmuting a sickly human that he views as infinitly below him. He's more liable to use sheilds/ basic attacks which can't kill mercer and most of which bring him within mercers two hundred meter gas range. This is over sonic lost, you only argument is him suddenly despite his cockiness and the fact alex seems like a totally normal human pulling out a powerful hax to kill him

edit I think missed my point alex is not a thretening figure to sonic.
 
Godhand1999 said:
I'm a bit tired of the misconception of "Sonic not using his hax first because he's cocky" first of all this concept is just utterly wrong. Why? Because just because Sonic is "cocky" that doesn't mean it's going to hinder him in battle. According to SBA, characters can still kill each other naturally. Sonic has all of his equipment available to him at this current time. There is literally NO reason why Sonic can't use his hax, that is just dumb. If the opponent is a threat and is really strong? Sonic's first thought isn't going to be "Well, I'm going to spin dash or homing attack the enemy"

Sonic is not stupid. Also, Alex Mercer has some kind of gaseous substance he can send out? Why would Sonic NOT use his hax to counteract that kind of thing? Because he's "cocky"? No, if there is a threat and it's really strong? Sonic will find another way to take the enemy out. Sonic is not going to spindash or homing attack his way to victory. If Sonic sees something like that, he's going to formulate another viable strategy instead. Since Sonic has better overall abilities and just better hax in general from the color powers to chaos control. Sonic literally will decimate Alex Mercer with absolute ease.
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SBA does not state that CIS is disregarded for a character. And none of what you've said proves that Sonic would even resort to that to completely unknown enemies he has faced. SBA does not state that the characters are bloodlusted, just "in-character but willing to kill".

You guys argued this and that about "Sonic isn't stupid, he can do X hax from the start", yet none of you guys has ever provided cutscenes or on-screen lore feats of Sonic even starting off with such hax abilities.
 
The pen or the sword said:
sonic has vearious win cons, they aren't things he uses right away against a sickly human that he doesn't view as a threat. Mercers first in character move is to gas, our argument isn't that alex has more win cons simply he's going for his sole win con before sonic goes for any of his.
sonics bio manip resistant lacks feats of molecular breakdown, heller wasn't gassed mercer attempted to evolve only for him to mutate due to resiliant dna. Mercers gas turns things into basic infected, he has to personally alter people to create prototypes/evolved. The gas takes effect within six seconds, sonics one feat of biomanip is being exposed to unsepcified chemicals, he'd need feats of resisting molecular breakdown.

Sonic hits mercer through his gas, gets infected and mercer gets up six hours later without a problem. Sonic has no feats of returning to life without his body thus after hes broken down into a pile of biomass the fight is over. Your right this fight is obviously won according to the votes and lack of valid argument for why sonic, whos weakness is listed as cocky would pull out any special move from the start against what he see's as nothing more then a base human.
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Sonic literally has his color powers to resist literally everything Alex Mercer has, lmao.

Sonic could even stop time before Alex Mercer assumes a gaseous form. Another thing is, with the color powers Sonic could literally become intangible/invisible so the gas isn't even going to be a problem for Sonic. Alex Mercer is like 7-C, so all of his physical attacks will do nothing. You all are gambling on Alex somehow using his gaseous form to affect Sonic, but that's not going to work at all.
 
He doesn't resist disease manip and his one resistance to bio manip is from unamed chemicals, if his body touches the gas he dies...Im not sure what your point is here, youd need evidence of sonic resisting disease manip on the molecular level in order to prove sonic can resist mercers infection. mercers physical attacks are useless it's good he'll never throw a punch in this fight.... His absorbtion and gas are his win cons and his first move is gassing so....
 
Godhand1999 said:
Sonic literally has his color powers to resist literally everything Alex Mercer has, lmao.

Sonic could even stop time before Alex Mercer assumes a gaseous form. Another thing is, with the color powers Sonic could literally become intangible/invisible so the gas isn't even going to be a problem for Sonic. Alex Mercer is like 7-C, so all of his physical attacks will do nothing. You all are gambling on Alex somehow using his gaseous form to affect Sonic, but that's not going to work at all.
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Those are all even assuming Sonic starts to even use those abilities against completely unknown opponents, and you haven't even provided a cutscene or on-screen feat of Sonic starting off with those hax abilities lore-wise. In fact, he doesn't even have resistance to Mercer's abilities otherwise.
 
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