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Being "beyond dimensionality" or "transcending the concept of dimensions" doesn't inherently warrant 1-A either, yeah?
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Addressing 1-A Concepts
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Tier 0 is still bound by dimensionality, so being beyond dimensionality in size would mean Tier 0
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Why?
Darksmash
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They need to be though. Your "default assumption" is meaningless when no fictional concept is "absolute" in the first place.
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Where did I say they were absolute?
Darksmash
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The OP said so. Plus they are absolute in their original definition, so what you think doesn't matter.
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Prove they are
Darksmash
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Why are you asking me proof of something that you believe in anyway?
You can't transcend "all" concepts without being absolute.
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Again, wiki never ever treats them as 1-A. And this has been a rule since 2019. Unless the verse has been shown 1-A cosmology, you could argue further about it.
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You should agree
We can make anos layers into tier 1-A lol
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tbh boundless if I agreed lel
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By this logic, transcending any concept would be impossible because you'd have to transcend that concept in an "absolute" manner. You don't have to be "absolute" to transcend all concepts. Platonic Forms aren't even absolute, they emanated from the Form of Good
Guardian_Doge
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When Darksmash said absolute I'm sure he meant like "no limits" at all, which is different from that
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Naw, he meant it absolute absolute. No need to interpret it to your advantage (I know I am against the idea, no worries)
Darksmash
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Yea that's the point. Because concepts can't be absolute you can't transcend them literally. Transcending "the concept of space" for example is meaningless as no fictional character transcends real world space. Also other forms emanating from the form of good doesn't mean they wouldn't be absolute. Goodness is just a more all encompassing idea compared to the forms. For example, the form of a "circle" will be absolute in the sense that it will encompass all possible variations of a circle. But the form of circle will be hierarchially below the form of "shapes".
Anyway, since absolutism is bullshit vsbw just defaults everything based on the cosmology of the verse. No need to make this complicated.
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You can transcend fictional space
If forms are a part of something else, they're not absolute
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Did OP actually address anything new? This has been discussed 3 years ago, I assume. It is pointless to argue again if there is no new information regarding it.
And honestly, I still disagree that we need to default characters to be 1-A only because they vaguely transcend the Platonic concepts.
For example, Rimuru (honestly, I am pretty sure it meant spirits in that context) and Shinra and many other characters (even without giving a cosmology explanation)
And honestly, I still disagree that we need to default characters to be 1-A only because they vaguely transcend the Platonic concepts.
For example, Rimuru (honestly, I am pretty sure it meant spirits in that context) and Shinra and many other characters (even without giving a cosmology explanation)
Darksmash
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But the "concept" of space should encompass all possible types of spaces, so not transcending real life space would be a contradiction.
This was already addressed in the post you replied to.
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Real life space isn't even a thing you can transcend
You didn't, you just said something like the form of a circle can be absolute in the sense that it encompasses all circles, but if it was absolute in any way, it would be like true infinity which isn't a thing
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How can you transcend a real life space in fiction?
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I am not aware of what has been discussed on the wiki so far about platonic concepts but Plato's concepts are very idea, an abstract, true forms of what that we comprehend in the physical world, like concept of beauty and how we comprehend it as per perspectively can be different to different beings but will not affect What concept of that thing is, so space itself is just materialization of that very concept into the physical world, space that consists of uncountable dimensions like 3d of space, 4d of space, etc. So I am pretty much convinced with this idea.
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No and No, we will never bring this again after we discussed it in 2019. This will mess up with scaling pretty much.
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Well seems fine considering I've not been here, I can't say anything about it.
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50% of characters will be 1-A because “I transcend all Platonic concepts”.
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Lmao, that's hilarious, anyway fiction don't seems to adapt real life things exactly, so that's really a verse dependent thing.
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Yeah if platonic concepts are allowed here, then a LOT of characters would be outerversal. For example CSAP has platonic concepts listed as 1-A and that's why many characters there are outer.
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By that logic we cannot apply reality and physics to fiction and almost every character here would have an unknown rating
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There is something that is considered by default case, unless stated otherwise, that includes calculation feats, nature of higher dimensions, etc. Theories which aren't testified and can vary in nature in the setting of fiction do not have to be a by default case.
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What do you mean testified? Plato's theory of forms isn't some scientific theory, it doesn't, need to be proven true irl. Real world physics can also vary in nature in the setting of fiction
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No one saying it's need to be proven, testified is not the only thing I said and real world physics can vary in nature in the setting of fiction has nothing to do with it.
Regardless how can a 5d verse that has platonic concept is 1a?
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You said it needs to be testified, which means proven
If you think fiction can portray the theory of forms differently from our real world theories and therefore fictional platonic forms shouldn't be the same as IRL ones, then the same can be said for real world physics
What are you talking about
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not the only thing I said.
Sure, infact, manyworlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, string theory and many other theories in physics aren't adapted as it is in fiction. I never said that scientific theories cannot be changed in the setting of fiction. But said there are few things which are right by default to apply, such as calculation, nature of higher dimensions but not all of 'em.
How can a 5d verse that has platonic concept can be 1a?
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So you agree it does not need to be "testified"
Why is it by default?
If the verse has platonic concepts then its 1-A, not capped at 5D
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Absolutely I never said it needs to be testified only bruh, why even bringing up something unnecessary
Calculation goes with considering things that are taken in the fiction as it is as in irl, given structure of earth, value of g, etc
I am saying if the number of dimensions it has is 5d then how it gonna be 1a bruh.
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@XXKINGXX69 Wait, are you trying to say that we need to add Platonic concepts as 1-A in wiki?
Darksmash
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Exactly. So you can't transcend the concept of space.
Not my fault you can't read. Form of circles would be absolute in its category while not being an all encompassing category.
You can't. That's the point.
